Trump Maneuvers To Protect Robert E. Lee's Name In Secretly Recorded Phone Call

Yahoo News ^ | 30July20 | M Papenfuss

[robowombat]

Could be. But Inhoffe @ Co. are true dopes if they do this regularly. Many of these devices can be easily eavesdropped on and recorded by pretty low grade spy equipment. Years ago a woman friend was using her portable phone to have some pretty x rated conversations with her married lover as she sat on her patio. Another friend collected a number of these from her driveway and the sidewalk in front of her house. Then gave her the tapes as a word to the wise. After that her phonecons were nearly cryptic.

[robowombat]

You may have a point. All American history aside from the sort in a ‘Peoples History of the US’ is on target for purging. Why don't some people here get that? Every time any post refers to the Cancel Lee movement the bloody shirt wavers arrive screeching about treason. Get it through your heads. Lee and Jackson today, Grant and Sherman tomorrow. Is the opportunity to insult Southern white men so important to you that you cannot grasp the dimensions of this conflict? In passing, without the more or less Solid South that votes Republican the GOP would never win another national election. This has been known for decades but Repubs refuse to recognize it publicly. That was Nixon's Southern Strategy, don't keep smacking the white men in the face while expecting their votes. People here should take a hint.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

You mean, during the Mexican War and at Harper’s Ferry, he turned on his own troops? His brilliance as a general was already established long before the Civil War.

Except that Lee wasn't a general during either of those, and wouldn't be a general until the confederates made him one. In the War with Mexico, he was an aide to Winfield Scott and performed a couple of valuable reconnaissance missions. And Harper's Ferry isn't exactly a brilliant piece of military leadership. By the time Lee and his troops arrived, Brown and his 21 men were already surrounded and holed up up in the engine house. After demanding Brown's surrender, they battered down the door and killed or captured everyone inside in the space of three minutes.

Lee was blessed with a string of incompetent opponents. It's noteworthy that once Grant took command of the Army of the Potomac and begin his offensive, the vaunted Lee was trapped in Petersburg within 9 weeks, and the rest of the war was just endgame delaying the inevitable.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

It all depends on who wins the war. The losing side are called “rebels” or “traitors” - but if they had won, they would be called “patriots”, “revolutionaries“ or “Founding Fathers”.

No argument. But they would have been called "patriots”, “revolutionaries“ or “Founding Fathers” of a different country, not the United States.

What do you think the American revolutionaries were called by the British? What would they still be called today if they had lost and we were still British subjects? Murderous Traitors.

And I seriously doubt there'd be a lot of monuments to them on the courthouse squares of small towns.

And he was not the only one. Memorial Day was established in 1868 for that very purpose, and war veterans of the North and South were honored side by side to heal the nation and remind future generations that we have more in common than we have that sets us apart.

Forgiveness and an eagerness to "bind up the nation's wounds" as Lincoln put it, are not the same as a vindication of the cause of those wounds. And before you go citing the 1868 proclamation by John A. Logan to the GAR establishing Memorial Day, and its purpose, you might want to actually read it.

"We are organized, comrades, as our regulations tell us, for the purpose, among other things, "of preserving and strengthening those kind and fraternal feelings which have bound together the soldiers, sailors, and marines who united to suppress the late rebellion." What can aid more to assure this result than by cherishing tenderly the memory of our heroic dead, who made their breasts a barricade between our country and its foe? Their soldier lives were the reveille of freedom to a race in chains, and their death a tattoo of rebellious tyranny in arms. We should guard their graves with sacred vigilance. All that the consecrated wealth and taste of the Nation can add to their adornment and security is but a fitting tribute to the memory of her slain defenders."

Yet every time the subject of the Civil War comes up, certain FReepers pile on with Southern-bashing.

Only in response to the bashing of the United States that comes from the Lost Causers. I've seen my ancestors who fought in the uniform of the United States called everything from fools to Nazis. I've seen them accused of war crimes. I've seen falsehood after falsehood about the war and its causes. I've seen one Lost Causer insist that slaves who escaped to join the United States army were traitors to the confederacy. So forgive us if some people feel the need to set the record straight and not allow calumnies against OUR ancestors to stand unopposed.