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1 posted on 07/16/2020 12:18:59 PM PDT by ransomnote
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See? There’s no death panels. It’s just a death program!


2 posted on 07/16/2020 12:29:45 PM PDT by Boogieman
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Sounds like End-of-Life is being switched to Ending-Life.
With commies in charge, this will not go well.


3 posted on 07/16/2020 12:32:44 PM PDT by BuffaloJack ("Security does not exist in nature. Everything has risk." Henry Savage)
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“here’s one thing that almost never gets brought up in these conversations: the fact that the discussion was prompted, at least in part, by an AI. Researchers and clinicians say they have good reasons for not mentioning it.”

In other words, the process begins with a lie and deception. The physician initiates the most serious conversation about a patient’s heath, literally a life and death issue, violating the trust inherent in the doctor patient relationship.

If there is no trustworthiness in the relationship, how can the physician provide objective counsel and advice? The physician cannot.

Today it is an AI message to the physician. Tomorrow it will be the government asking if the physician spoke to the patient. The day after the government bureaucrat will want a report on the details of the conversation. Two days later the government bureaucrat will be telling the physician to recommend “voluntary” euthanasia.

The slippery slope will only continue. Ten years later the AI program will simply set a date for compulsory euthanasia and the patient will be told to report to a government center for processing. Why even have the doctor involved?


5 posted on 07/16/2020 12:43:51 PM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on i)
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...Wang was a bit surprised that the email had flagged him among her patients least likely to be alive in a year’s time.


6 posted on 07/16/2020 12:45:50 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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*SHIVERS*

I’ve recently gotten into reading Science Fiction, and between Issac Asimov and Blake Crouch, I am MORE than convinced that we ALL need to save a bullet for ourselves.

So many evil practices in medicine these days; too many people playing ‘god’ with others’ lives. :(

After caring for my Dad the past 15 years, we ALL need to advocate for our old and/or infirm. I was a PEST who everyone knew at his care facility. Please do the same if you have a family member or friend in a care situation. Make sure staff and owners know you are watching them.

Yeah, I sound like a Karen, but having witnessed it all first hand, call me what you will. :)


7 posted on 07/16/2020 12:59:24 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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My father, who died at 95, made clear that he didn’t want extreme measures. When the doctor proposed a stint and said what the odds were he would not survive, dad asked what they would do if his heart stopped on the table. The doctor said he was required at that point to use extreme measures. My dad gave a definite no.

The importance is that the doctor, who heard dad say this, kept asking every family member who showed up for permission to use extreme measures. When we wouldn’t do it, he took dad off liquids as a way to force us to do it. When we told my dad’s personal doctor, he said, yes, he knew that doctor and he was an ass.


8 posted on 07/16/2020 1:07:50 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud?)
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My father, who died at 95, made clear that he didn’t want extreme measures. When the doctor proposed a stint and said what the odds were he would not survive, dad asked what they would do if his heart stopped on the table. The doctor said he was required at that point to use extreme measures. My dad gave a definite no.

The importance is that the doctor, who heard dad say this, kept asking every family member who showed up for permission to use extreme measures. When we wouldn’t do it, he took dad off liquids as a way to force us to do it. When we told my dad’s personal doctor, he said, yes, he knew that doctor and he was an ass.


9 posted on 07/16/2020 1:21:56 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud?)
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