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WORLDOMETER COVID-19 Deaths in USA 7/4/2020: 254 with 45,182 new cases
Worldometer ^ | July 4, 2020

Posted on 07/04/2020 11:59:47 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

So why isn't mainstream media pointing out that the number of deaths are way down even though we are getting a lot more new cases?


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1 posted on 07/04/2020 11:59:47 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Have you seen snow storm reports on TV?


2 posted on 07/05/2020 12:04:12 AM PDT by Raycpa
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So why isn't mainstream media pointing out that the number of deaths are way down

you can't enslave free people with the truth


3 posted on 07/05/2020 12:09:46 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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The number of tests are way up, because testing capacity is now high. But the number of positive results is under 5%

We are pretty much done. The susceptible people have gotten it.

The weekend numbers are low, also, because fewer people are doing the paperwork on the weekends.


4 posted on 07/05/2020 12:15:22 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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for all these numbers and all these "cases" I just don't see it where I live....people are going about their business...

we all hope to someday go to a restaurant without restrictions....

5 posted on 07/05/2020 12:17:15 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Raycpa

for the same reasons you didn’t see the June job reports?


6 posted on 07/05/2020 12:26:57 AM PDT by RonnG (')
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To: MinorityRepublican

The MSM wants to keep everyone afraid

The hospitals want money, so they classify as covid anyone coming in for non covid reasons but test positive.

Antibody cases are now being combined with the PCR cases, and also the probables, so the case count is higher.


7 posted on 07/05/2020 12:29:42 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: MinorityRepublican

there’s also a TON of noise (1.5 million or so) in the “active cases” number. a month after you test positive, you’re either dead or recovered. we only see the deaths.


8 posted on 07/05/2020 12:32:01 AM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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For the gazillionth time, ignore case numbers, ignore hospitalizations, and pay attention only to excess deaths.

Deaths are way down only because they were way way up in New York. The descent appears to be flattening, and I would estimate that daily deaths from this disease will stabilize at about 550 long term, assuming no cure and no relaxation of safety measures. 550 daily is a fairly big annual number. Nearly 200K old people dead from it yearly. That is a 10% increase in society’s age 65+ deaths.


9 posted on 07/05/2020 12:34:12 AM PDT by Owen
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The disparity of case numbers and deaths is certainly suspicious and points to a possible trend of over-reporting of marginal cases with the motive being either financial or political.

In Canada, where there is less financial or political motive to over-report, we have considerably fewer cases per capita and perhaps half the death toll per capita (which means 5% compared to the 10% that is our population vs US population) but the disparity goes away if we compare only Ontario-Quebec which are the most populated provinces with the largest cities (apart from Vancouver which has fared remarkably well all things considered).

The PGA tour is back in operation and its travelling participants are being tested regularly; the percentage of positive tests has been quite low and of those, only one or two people were actually feeling any symptoms. Then there was the report that one golfer’s child (not travelling with the players) went to hospital for an unrelated cause, had a positive test, then a day later had two negative tests.

So it makes you wonder, do they count people like that in the totals? And if so what does that say about the overall risk factor?


10 posted on 07/05/2020 12:39:48 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Pray for health, economic recovery, and justice.)
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To: WildHighlander57

Re: “Antibody cases are now being combined with the PCR cases”

It is even worse than that.

The PCR tests are so sensitive they detect inactive corona DNA in people who were sick months ago.

Also...

The CDC counts “presumed” (untested) COVID fatalities as “confirmed” COVID fatalities.

And, the CDC counts 100% of pneumonia + COVID fatalities as exclusively COVID fatalities.

Compare that to pneumonia + influenza fatalities. Less than 10% of those cases are classified as exclusively influenza fatalities.


11 posted on 07/05/2020 1:06:57 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: MinorityRepublican

Because the MSM have figured out that the only way to defeat Trump is to scare the crap out of people from now to November. And there will be a “second wave” this fall. Nobody is getting sick, but the stories are already being written.


12 posted on 07/05/2020 1:32:55 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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Re: “pay attention only to excess deaths.”

That, too, is an unreliable number.

Total Deaths and COVID Deaths are calculated by two different CDC agencies.

NCHS calculates weekly Total Deaths and Pneumonia Deaths.

NCHS shows a huge surge in pneumonia deaths.

How is that possible - the CDC has instructed all state medical examiners to classify pneumonia + COVID fatalities as exclusively COVID fatalities.

Bottom Line...

The CDC is double counting many pneumonia deaths.

First, they count them as exclusively pneumonia deaths.

Second, they count them as COVID fatalities.

Until proven otherwise, the COVID fatality number is completely fraudulent in my opinion.

13 posted on 07/05/2020 1:34:50 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: MinorityRepublican

mortality rate is decreasing.


14 posted on 07/05/2020 3:54:47 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Mexico was late with their outbreak. They are experiencing what we did in March. Counties in California, Arizona and Texas near the Southern border, have high numbers of new cases and hospital admissions who are green card non-citizens from Mexico who are let across the border because they have COVID, which raises the statistics.

Some doctors believe they were treating COVID 19 cases as far back as October 2019 and the dampanic is nearly over with now. Florida's death toll has now flatlined.

15 posted on 07/05/2020 4:01:37 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’m completely tired of this subject and never want to hear about it ever again. It’s a moral panic and a mountain range of fraud, none of which is in the interests of the American people, and none of which saves anybody.

The only thing left to talk about is the intentional mass murder by Democrat governments in denying access to HCQ, and sending infected patients into nursing homes.


16 posted on 07/05/2020 4:23:49 AM PDT by thoughtomator (here comes the switch to Hillary)
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To: SauronOfMordor
More testing equals more cases.

Why is so hard for the media to understand??
17 posted on 07/05/2020 4:50:41 AM PDT by systemjim (Lifetime Lover of Music)
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To: Peter ODonnell

Have they started filming again in Canada? I actually like some shows and movies from Canada. I’m also glad that many American shows and movies film there.


18 posted on 07/05/2020 5:58:15 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: Owen
The descent appears to be flattening, and I would estimate that daily deaths from this disease will stabilize at about 550 long term, assuming no cure and no relaxation of safety measures.

The Worldometer seven day running average for the US says that daily deaths are already down to 516 per day. That's already 34 deaths per day below your prediction.

Deaths are way down only because they were way way up in New York.

Nope.

US deaths per day peaked at 2749. NY deaths per day peaked at 1025. The difference between the two is 1749 deaths per day. As I said, we are down to 515 deaths per day in the US of which 491 of those deaths are outside of NY, so that's 1258 less deaths per day outside of NY.

The math is not exact because the US deaths per day peak did not occur at the same time as the NY peak, and I don't feel like figuring that out.

But my point holds. Deaths are not way down only because of NY, and it's not by a long shot.

19 posted on 07/05/2020 7:15:42 AM PDT by FreeReign
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They’re saying that the virus is more infectious but I assume less deadly? Unlike what we saw in March and April where ERs in New York and Italy became deluged with COVID-19 patients and the mortality rate was much higher.


20 posted on 07/05/2020 8:12:49 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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