I’m not a lawyer but in this case the officer observed the male hitting the female and at one point she opened the door as if to jump out, so that was the probable cause for the stop. The video flashed an Illinois statute up on the screen describing the offense of “Obstructing Identification”, which is giving a fake name, address, or DOB after being arrested or detained.
When I went to check I remembered this was a YouTube video so you can watch for yourself if you like and have a high tolerance for obscene language.
HEre’s is the point where the statute is presented:
https://youtu.be/PhP3gsWF0Ds?t=599
Up to this point things were pretty calm, just 8 minutes of asking for her birthdate, the driver being an ass, etc. It goes pretty bad soon afterward...
My point is to imagine hundreds of CHOP occupiers who resist arrest and fight with law enforcement to this extent (or more). Multiple injuries and likely deaths are unavoidable if police use force to remove them, and the liability suits that would follow would be unimaginable - the personal injury lawyers would have a heyday.
This is all a result of not taking the proper stand in the first place. Totally avoidable. Cleaning up a mess is always harder than preventing a mess from occurring.
(Note how well a woman can scream at the top of her lungs but “can’t breathe”).
Hey Bob, I would have probably seen this entire situation the same as you about a year ago. I always thought that most police were good, the few bad apples needed to be weeded out through them. For some odd reason, my you tube radar started suggesting 1st and 2nd amendment audits. At first, I was thinking the auditors were kind of rude. But with time, I realized how tyrannical our police force has gotten.
Make no mistake, I am not talking about real crimes, like murder, looting, kidnapping. But, I am talking about petty traffic stops. Or worse, no traffic stop, just somebody filming them in public. Everyday there is a new video with police barking orders, asking needless questions to private citizens, asking for id when no crime has been committed. I know it has been determined that it is ok for police to lie, I understand the need for this in dealing with real crimes, but for traffic stops? Far too much of the time the police are treating law abiding citizens like criminals.
One of the paradigm shifting moments came when you tube recommended the old video of the salt lake city nurse who refused to do a blood draw. I want to refresh your memory on this. A truck driver victim was brought in to this nurses hospital. He was unconscious. He was involved in a head on collision due to a high speed chase involving the slc police. The person they were chasing hit his truck, and the driver involved in the chase was killed. I think most of us can put 2 and 2 together to figure out why the police were so desperate for a blood draw on this hapless truck driving victim. The nurse refused. The reason was that the patient had to be under arrest, or had to have an arrest warrant out. Again, this man was the victim. The only legal way for her to do a blood draw was if he consented. That was not possible. So, the officer told her SHE was under arrest. This officer was arresting her because she refused to violate this mans 4th amendment right. This is not a legal arrest, this is a kidnapping. She started to scream and ran, the officer grabbed her around her waist and drug her outside. All the while 3 armed men stood there and watched. Where were the good cops? I know we are conditioned to believe if we just let the process work, we will get justice. However, all this corruption goes all the way to the top. Thankfully for cameras, that video went viral, and they didn’t get away with this. I remember at that time being happy that the “bad cop” got fired. But now, I’m like wait, what about the other cops. Would they have stepped in if a ceo had grabbed her and drug her outside? How about an airline pilot? A doctor? I’m pretty sure they would have intervened. But, when it is one of their own breaking the law, they look the other way.
As far as your video, I don’t see any redeeming qualities in any of them. It looks like the cop thought the woman was a victim, but then harassed her for 8 minutes to give up her Constitutional rights to her id. The other cop opened her car door, which again, he had no legal right to do. So then the person the cop already says he thinks is a victim gets drug out of the car and arrested. Cops are supposed to de-escalate, not ratchet it up like this. JMHO