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To: norcal joe
1) Citizen's Arrest---I have read the GA statute on citizens arrest and case law. In GA, it appears that one can be arrested by a private citizen for EITHER a misdemeanor or a felony if the citizen actually witnesses the crime or if it occurred "within their knowledge." There are multiple cases in GA that involve MISDEMEANOR citizen arrests. So the standard is whether the McMichaels had probable cause that ANY crime had been committed "within their knowledge."

2) Did a citizen's arrest even occur? To be an arrest, a person must SUBMIT to a show of authority. There was no "arrest" in this case. In GA, it is legal to carry a shotgun down the street. There are many facts that need to be known (the video is unclear if the younger McMichael pointed the gun at any time). BTW, it is SILLY to claim that one must SEE the crime in order to arrest. The police, who are bound by the same standard as citizens for most cases, virtually never see the crime because they arrive after the fact. This is a case by case basis, but if one is told of a crime that is in the process of being committed or was just committed, that is enough.

3) Probable Cause. In GA, PC to arrest is the same standard for police as it is for citizens. PC is a very slight standard. In this case, there is overwhelming PC that Arbery was committing a crime within the knowledge of McMichael. The dad told the cops that he was "in his yard" when he observed Arbery "hauling ass", and he told 911 that he saw the suspect with his own eyes. The McMichaels live 50 yards away or less. The home under construction had been burgled several times; Arbery was recognized as the prior burglar by McMichael,who had scene Arbery on his street and on video; it was a Sunday when construction workers wouldn't be on site; Arbery SPRINTED from the property. When McMichael shouted "stop" while in his yard, Arbery kept running. Any judge would find a strong presumption that a stranger who bolts out the door of a previously burgled home was up to no good. At a minimum, he was trespassing, but there was almost certainly PC to believe he was stealing stuff (or attempting to steal). Finally, PC does NOT mean that a crime had to ACTUALLY have been committed. For example, my neighbor wakes me up and claims she was raped by a guy who just ran up the street. I chase him down and arrest him as a citizen. The rape complaint, however, was a phony complaint. Did I commit a crime? NO. I had PC.

4) Jurys do NOT like to be lied to, and southern juries don't like to be insulted by New York/DC media. It is obvious that Arbery was not a "jogger." He is scene now in multiple videos wearing sagging pants, a belt, a shirt that you would wear to the mall, etc. I have dealt with hundreds of black male clients and have coached hundreds of black male athletes--black guys do NOT jog, unless they work for Fortune 500 companies. And black guys (and white guys) in rural areas ALMOST NEVER jog. There was probably a higher chance of Arbery being a ballet dancer than a runner. The locals know this, and they know that Arbery's legal team have stirred up unnecessary racial strife. Glynn County, GA is 75/25 white/black, which means the jury pool will likely be 85/15, so this case may be heard by an all-white or nearly all-white jury. These folks are PISSED right now. They can relate to the McMichaels. I always try to "know my jury." Trust me, when the national media is calling him a "jogger" while everyone at the local diner in Brunswick knows that he and his family are dog shit.... and they are calling these defendants "racists" "white supremacists," and guys "hunting down a black jogger." I would bet on the DEFENSE if I were in Vegas.

5) As is typical, everyone posts comments that are typically "in theory." Let me tell you the reality--the first outside DA cleared these guys, a fact that will be ADMISSIBLE in court. Trust me, if the defense attorneys have any brains, they will say: "Gosh, the local DA said they are innocent, but the slick suits from Atlanta, who came down here to stop a riot, in a matter of an hour determined they were guilty."

6) Finally, I don't think the younger McMichael committed a crime, because Arbery ran 14 feet straight at him and grabbed the shotgun before it was fired. However, I could see how a good-faith prosecutor could--with a straight face--charge him with murder. It's weak, but not a crazy charge. But the Dad? WTF. He didn't draw his pistol until shots had went off. This is a fact that will convince the jury that these guys are being railroaded.

7) If one more person posts "the wannabe cops shouldn't have went after Abery" I'm going to puke. The issue isn't whether what they did is what you would have done. The issue is: Did they break the law. Answer: No, they didnt' Please feel free to ask questions. I'm trying to be helpful.

6 posted on 05/10/2020 6:14:40 PM PDT by 11th_VA (May you live in interesting times - Ancient Chinese Proverb)
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To: 11th_VA

Thank you. Trust me, I did not intend to post a run-on paragraph!


10 posted on 05/10/2020 6:16:26 PM PDT by bort
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To: 11th_VA; madison10

Thank you for the formatting. A truly charitable act.


133 posted on 05/10/2020 7:49:55 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: 11th_VA

Thank you for an excellent summary and it agrees with my thinking, but you’re a better writer.


188 posted on 05/10/2020 8:50:07 PM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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To: 11th_VA
Arbery ran 14 feet straight at him and grabbed the shotgun before it was fired.

That.

237 posted on 05/11/2020 6:36:22 AM PDT by bgill (Idiots. CDC site doesn't recommend wearing a mask to protect from COVID-19)
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To: 11th_VA
The home under construction had been burgled several times; Arbery was recognized as the prior burglar by McMichael,who had scene Arbery on his street and on video

Do we have any police report filed on this? All I've seen is the one the shooter filed saying that a gun had been stolen from a truck he left unlocked in broad daylight, and a neighbor saying that he had some fishing gear stolen but didn't file a report.

281 posted on 05/11/2020 10:13:30 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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