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To: stars & stripes forever
Crude at $1.70 a barrel now.

WTH is going on??? I just turned the TV on and FB says oil is trading at -$37.54??? How in the heck is that possible?

1,454 posted on 04/20/2020 12:12:00 PM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority STILL Stands With TRUMP! WWG1WGA)
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To: pgkdan

I did my crude attempt at an explanation, but it sounds like (1) the market is deliberately being crashed, and (2) There are a lot of people holding oil futures that CAN’T take delivery and HAVE to offload the contracts, whatever the loss.


1,463 posted on 04/20/2020 12:20:46 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (WWG1WGA)
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This is what happens when derivatives (commodity options) unwind. These are "bets" placed on the price of oil at the ratio of 110 to 1. None of this oil is scheduled for delivery.

What is happening is that people who bought a $110,000 contract on the price of oil for $1000 discovered that they were on the wrong side of the trade and have to cough up $109,000 to the counterparty. This means margin calls, so it should affect other markets to include the stock market and precious metals.

This is why I don't play with derivatives.

1,465 posted on 04/20/2020 12:22:41 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill & Publius available at Amazon.)
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To: pgkdan

I have an agreement (contract) with an oil producer for crude delivery in July. 100 bbls at $40/bbl.
Since there will be almost no delivery of crude in July, I’ll sell you this contract for 5-cents/dollar, cash.
You give me $200 CASH and I give you the contract.

See, I don’t want to wait for it have the same value as when I bought it. My company survives on CASH flow and commodity turnover. You, on the other hand might see this contract as either a gamble or a time-certain risk.


1,524 posted on 04/20/2020 2:11:00 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Scatology is serendipitous)
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