Posted on 04/03/2020 4:01:15 PM PDT by Libloather
Thanks for the Post.
“...And as others have pointed out: this is a military vessel full of young people, not a cruise ship full of asthma-ridden seniors...and if they were truly so terrified of the disease, they wouldn’t all be clustered together to give that very public and pointed show of support....”
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And young people who are NOT plagued by things such as COPD, being diabetic or immunocompromised or having “conditions” which could become comorbidities to Covid-19. Several more weeks and most of these healthy young people would be “blessed” with newly acquired Covid-19 immunity.
We did all sorts of odd and occasionally dangerous duties as part of our time in uniform.
I know that from 1985 until I left active duty in 2009, Commissioned Ships of the US Navy were always in Condition III, wartime cruising, when they shifted colors.
I have served in infantry combat as an enlisted Marine. I commanded an artillery battalion in peacetime - pretty rigorous peacetime. Fired over 15,700 HE projectiles over the two years in command.
On a carrier he has machine shops and parts and supplies, enormous quantities of PPEs. He has hotshot pilots, super maintenance mechanics, nuclear trained officers and at the top of the intellectual and creative pile - nuclear trained enlisted personnel. He has his own medical staff. If there was something to be made or something to be done the guys working for him could have figured it out and done it. You can whip everything down with disinfectant every watch change. You can modify watchstanding schedules to minimize spread of contagion, and maximize the ability to provide sanitation. Like I said before, the human and material resources at hand to a carrier CO are unmatched anywhere in the world. There are lots of large spaces on a carrier that you could repurpose in an emergency.
Did he immediately impose command wide training and instruction on sanitation and contagion control?
He is supposed to be able to operate independently at sea for months at a time.
Instead he whines and talks about not being able to comply with instructions,etc. The man is CO of a nuclear aircraft carrier for chrissakes.
Dear Abe, enemy on other side of Missippi. Don't know what to do. Please send help. Useless Grant, Commanding.
Doubtless he was not sacrificing himself for his men. What his men needed was to see courage and integrity. Perhaps he was sacrificing his command in hope of a job with CNN. I am sure they would love him.
Your math is off by a factor of 10. I believe that the number of crew member was just under 5,000.... not 50,000.
My bad. 10 dead sailors. Still too many.
I was in the Coast Guard but you sure did not learn anything
Whatever you did, or say you did, you don’t understand military leadership. And everyone (besides yourself) on this thread with military experience knows exactly what I am talking about.
The navy has invested a great deal in the training and preparation of its sailors. Should a Commanding Officer risk wasting those sailors because the political forces demand that they stay in position? How effective would that Carrier Battle Group be if critical specialties were too sick to work? Launch and recovery? Nuclear plant?
His higher ups should have swung into action and either evacuated all known and suspected Covid cases and replaced them - or sent the Roosevelt to Guam and disembarked/isolated the crew right away.
But they didn't. Instead they told the world in a press release that the Roosevelt was going to continue on its mission anyway.
At that point, Capt. Crozier was left with only two painful options: continue the mission and watch the casualties increase and make his ship not combat ready - or to do what he did to gain public attention and the wrath of the political navy> This forum is usually rabid about "Obama era" political commanders - but for some reason my conservatives have no sympathy at all for a commander who considers the welfare of his troops even above his own career.
Listen asshole I never said I was competent at anything. My math was based on the reported 5,000 crew members not his statement of 7,000 crew members. And where did that one fifteenth come from? pulling number out of you ass???
Probably because you were and are a crappy commander and do not know your ass from Mr. Edd
I read somewhere that the Commander sent 20 to 30 copies to people.
If true,
He could probably claim that he did NOT leak to the press, but, surely that is a giant set-up for the possibility of a problem.
You are hilarious. And wrong.
Answer the observation posited in post 19.
If the high command is not lying about the Captain not having used proper channels then you will have no problem doing so.
If you cannot then everything I posted to you is fully deserved.
I am going not very much out on a limb and suggesting that our Navy high command is compromised probably to the same level as the CDC and the FISA courts. You made your little assessment without bothering to look at the available facts first.
That isn’t going to fly.
I may indeed be an asshole. Some situations require that and this appears to be one of them.
The first sign that somebody's losing an argument is when they get all potty mouthed.
Congratulations.
#10 Admiral William ‘Bull’ Halsey sailed into a hurricane
Excerpt: three destroyers capsized and sank with 790 lives lost. Nine other warships were damaged, and over 100 aircraft were wrecked or washed overboard. The aircraft carrier Monterey was forced to battle a serious fire that was caused by a plane hitting a bulkhead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Cobra
He kept his job.
Oh, I do know military leadership - and my military experience is exactly as I discussed it and more.
The problem you've got is that I don't agree with you and the vast number of glorious former Privates First Class that make up most of your military responders on this thread.
Sorry.
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