Posted on 03/21/2020 9:30:24 AM PDT by BraveMan
“It would be inhumane and stupid to wait for a study when you can save lives with this well known drug!”
What happened to the “right to try”? Why isn’t everyone infected demanding that?
Instead of just talking about it, they should try it and find out.
Bob is Big . Ha!
it’s not entirely safe (IF it’s akin to Quinine) - If so, it can cause allergic reactions, sudden death, have effects on heart, kidneys, or blood cells - there are some medical conditions that increase the chance of bad side effects- Which i think is why they might be hesitant to try this en mass without running studies on it first-
BUT- these side effects are pretty rare- and honestly- given the choice of dying from virus, or possibly getting side effects from treatment, I’d choose the treatment- every time- especially given the fact that the side effects are rare-
It works by opening the cell to zinc. Zinc disrupts the virus in the cell and prevents replication.
Zinc lozenges dissolved on the tongue are most effective.
They will continue to report “mixed” results unless they can understand the need for zinc.
It needs zinc! Without zinc supplementation they will continue to report “mixed” results. Also it is thought to be be important to dissolve zinc lozenges on the tongue.
You are right but if you forgive me repeating myself all it does is open the cell for the Zinc. It is the zinc. Results, anecdotally, are rapid and dramatic! Safe dosage, brief duration rapid results.
“not entirely safe (IF it’s akin to Quinine)”
Safe means safe under indicated usage with associated contraindications and known adverse events, ie side effects.
If a doctor gave, for example, 10 times the dose at a 5 times more frequent schedule it would not be considered safe.
I heard somewhere that hydroxychloroquine had fewer side effects than mere chloroquine.
True that- there are many variables too- drugs need to be tested on particular cases too- like noone knows how the drug will work with this virus yet- likely it will be fine- but the virus ‘could’ cause a breakdown in a person’s system that would make the drug dangerous- again, it likely won’t- but there is a possibility because it hasn’t been tested with this virus yet-
Disregard Misleading Headline. Listen to the Dr.
are you talking about the quinine? Or the new one for malaria that they are using for the virus?
With quinine, a person can take it for a long time with no issues, then wham- dead- or a person could take it one time, have an allergic reaction an die- kinda like people that suddenly develop an allergy to fish- out of the blue-
Sure, all drugs practically have this potential but it was apparently bad enough with quinine that it no longer was recommended by docs for htigns like cramps-
in hte case of this virus- the short term use, high dose- very likely will be safe for most people- a small subset of folks might not fare well though- that’s why he big fuss over testing- but for things like pandemics- there should be some kind of waiver folks could sign to not hold anyone responsible if the drug does have the rare side effects- but lawyers won’t allow this unfortunately-
i think probably they both will be fine- with very few side effects for almost everyone- but lawyers are just waiting in the sidelines for someone to get side effects I’m sure-
FYI,
First trial is open.
Objective: To test if post-exposure prophylaxis with hydroxychloroquine can prevent progression development of symptomatic COVID19 disease after known exposure to the SARS-CoV2 virus.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04308668?recrs=ab&cond=Covid19&cntry=US&draw=3&rank=12
Maybe because some NBC reporter said it was just false hope from Trump?
Thanks for that- hopefully they get something soon- and hopefully it will work for regular flues too as many many folks die from that from respiratory failures too- let’s hope an effective treatment is coming soon-
"Medical Opinion" is one of the worst obstructions of public health that I'm aware of. It brings to mind the discovery that stomach ulcers could be cured simply by the administration of a proper antibiotic. It took decades before "medical opinion" accepted that in a widespread way.
Most doctors I know are quite intelligent. However, their years of training focuses them on memorizing a near infinite measure of "medical opinion". It leaves little room for discovery and analysis of conflicting items.
Some of this is quite necessary. If a doctor spent time second guessing himself on life and death decisions, he would go quite mad. Nevertheless, now is the time to make decisions on the best available information and facts, not on "medical opinion". I'm glad we have a president who has the fortitude to do just that.
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