Posted on 03/14/2020 8:47:01 PM PDT by Coleus
You are wrong.
There have been times in the past 40 years, more than a few, that I thought Tony Fauci was the only smart guy in the Federal infectious diseases/public health establishment.
This is one of those times.
In terms of the greasy pole - he gained the trust and willing cooperation of Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. No person who works for politicians has survived as long or accomplished as much as Tony Fauci.
never mind
He is tellling Trump that Europe is the center of increased covid activity. Before last night hundreds of people from Italy were landing innthe US every day while none from China have been since January. The numbers in Italy and now Spain are scary. That’s what Fauci was referencing. China started this but we have to concern ourselves with stopping it and Europe is where we start.
Tell me what type of magic force field we had protecting us from November til February 1st.
It’s been here already , everyone just assumed it was the flu because it’ doesn’t have a higher mortality rate then a flu and has the same symptoms.
Unless I am mistaken, he is not responsible for the spectacular failure in testing rollout. Whoever is should be fired immediately and very publicly.
As I understand, the original issue came up because the initial test developed did not meet FDA standards for reliability, so the CDC developed their own.
The test the CDC developed worked, but was overly complicated, and some samples appear to have been contaminated. One of the parts that made the test over-complicated was a test to rule out false positives from contamination. Reportedly there were 12 labs with the necessary expertise to execute these tests reliably.
When the emergency was declared by President Trump at the end of January, Obama-era regulations were invoked which legally barred any locally created tests from being used without FDA approval. That process would have taken at least several months to yield any test.
Per regulation, local labs were being told they were not to be using unproven (to the FDA) tests, and to stop.
Some local testing was carried out in defiance of the regulations (Seattle?), and on Feb 24th, the lab association formally requested a waiver from the FDA. Initially, the FDA resisted as there was no provision for a waiver, but on Feb 26th it percolated up and the FDA announced that regardless, they would not be prosecuting.
Only at that point could new tests begin mass production process.
It’s a stupid bureaucracy, and it appears (stupid) rules were followed. The fallout is political, not legal or likely even administrative. It’s one reason overly large and reaching bureaucracies are a bad idea, and while they can help in the beginning they bring misery in the long run as unexpected events always happen and opportunities for improvement are lost.
Is that ‘projected’ rate of 1% from the same Dr. in Ohio that said she ‘guesstimated’ that 100,000 people in Ohio have the WuFlu, when they only have 13 cases right now.
but the last I heard no one under 50 who had been infected had died.
In the US, it is unlikely, but with so few cases so far and so early in the infection curve the age distribution doesn’t have much statistical significance.
But I don’t think your comment would have been true a week ago. I remember telling my wife several times that Trump was focused too much on avoiding panic and was not communicating the gravity of the situation.
I never trusted the guy after I found his name is Fowchee and he wasn’t Chinese. Troubling. Trump shouldn’t trust him either.
“According to WorldOmeter.com, we have 2982 cases in the US with 60 deaths. That’s 0.02, much smaller than the flu rate.”
0.02 is MUCH higher than 0.001
The typical flu fatality rate is about .001 to .0004 (0.1-0.04%). A recent particularly bad rate was about .002 (0.2%).
Chinas *reported* figures are 0.040-0.045 (4%-4.5%). We know those are wrong in a couple of different ways (both deaths and cases), but that’s what we have to work with.
Even 2% is TWENTY times 0.1%. This one also proportionately reaches down further towards age 50 than does the flu.
“Is that ‘projected’ rate of 1% from the same Dr. in Ohio “
It’s an optomistic projection shared by our entire national leadership, except for those who think it’s going to be higher.
In some countries it’s running over 3%.
I agree. He has stated that the mask shortage is a “failure” - so of course the MSM declared that a failure of the President. Then Fauci came back and said he meant a “failure of the CDC”.
Well now
All the ski areas are closing
downhill anyways
:)
What about uphill?
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Both ways..
Do you mean cross-country ? :-)
“Say that again.”
OK
‘0.02 is MUCH higher than 0.001’
Right now he ‘appears’ to be performing. Fine.
But he is a tool of corrupt pharma executives tied to China that have used government to corner the market.
An analogy would be having Bezos as tech spokesman for the Trump administration knowing he’s a CIA kid (father was a clown), that he was catapulted into online prominence with billions upon billions of CIA cloud services contracts and was instructed to buy bankrupt WAPO and have them harass President Trump and his family for no good reason and without stop.
POTUS either doesn’t know Fauci is swamp or doesn’t think it important in the current corona hysteria. As long as Fauci performs to POTUS’s standards, it’s not worth pursuing his failings. If POTUS is ok with it, then so am I.
That’s a half-truth. No, it’s a quarter truth. And you’re just writing off those over age 64 or with other risk factors. Thanks a lot. That’s most of my immediate family (even tho’ none of us are obese and all but one of us lead considerably healthier than average lifestyles.)
What you leave out is that between the people over 64, and people with some other sort of significant health risk COVID-19 can exploit (smoking or other prior lung damage, asthma, compromised immune system, obesity...), we’re talking half the country. Good grief, depending on how it’s defined, 30 - 40% of Americans are obese. One visit to Wal-Mart demonstrates that...
You also leave out how contagious COVID-19 is. This may be a matter of survivability outside the body, efficacy of infection once it lands on a new host, and so on, but the far greater factor is the infectiousness of carriers even while those damned mild symptoms you tout, slowly ramp up. With flu, the vast majority of victims feel bad enough to stay home, and the disease progresses to that level quickly. With COVID-19, the vast majority of infected persons spend several days spreading it around because they DON’T feel bad enough to stay home.
“No vaccine” plays into the spread as well.
The resultant problem is that once community spread gets going, in the absence of very onerous and economically damaging containment measures, and added to already established needs, this level of contagiousness easily causes enough cases needing hospitalization, or even ICU’s, to overwhelm health care resources.
This is NOT speculation, this IS what we are seeing in Italy. We saw it in China, too, until they slammed on the most incredible & massive control / lockdown measures the modern world has ever seen for a disease. South Korea has been magnificent with their testing and isolation of positives, despite a large initial breakout, showing us a possible way forward. However, even there, the situation is dicey. Can they keep a lid on it?
Whose responsibility is to protect you if you are in bad shape physically and over age 60? Of course every one has to evaluate their own situation and lessen their risk by isolating themselves as much as possible.
I stand by my statement that fatality rate for people under age 50 in good physical shape is miniscule with covid-19. That category of people get symptoms similar to a mild infection from common influenza. No point forcing them into quarantines of various style.
Personally I am much more scared of the list of diseases I enumerated than covid-19.
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