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To: LilFarmer

My point was that we really don’t have reliable statistics, since anything the Chinese say must be discounted from the start. Among observable and verifiable European or non-Asian cases, it seems like the death rate is about 2%, which is within the high-normal range.

With decent health care, it would probably be lower.

Don’t let yourself get manipulated into hysteria. That’s what Soros and the gang want. Nothing gives a better opening for tyranny than a terrified populace. Don’t let yourself be terrified.

Take reasonable precautions now - many people are, so hand-sanitizer and breathing masks are out of stock in places like Walmart or your local Publix - wash your hands and wipe off things you have to touch, avoid crowds, keep your immune system up with Vitamin C and zinc, and go to the doctor at the first sign of flu symptoms. Early treatment is the key.

But it’s manageable, and more harm will be caused by the hysteria than by the disease.


421 posted on 02/25/2020 10:21:43 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

I am not “manipulated into hysteria”. This is a thread that covers news, research, discussion and preparation and I am one of the many folks here who research international and local news so people will have actionable information.

If you spent even a little time on these threads you would know that most of the focus at this point is what is happening in first world countries outside of China. For example, in Italy and South Korea the fatality rate is 3%, and infection rate is growing exponentially. If you don’t have the imagination to know what a CFR like that would do worldwide, or in your community—on a health level as well as economic level—then that is your shortcoming.

I have yet to see any posts that look even remotely like hysteria, except for the ones who are being facetious. Frankly, though, your post describing the hard working and diligent people on this thread as being hysterical is insulting. These people work tirelessly to provide information that may or may not affect decisions people make to protect themselves.

In any case, if this fizzles out, all I have done is caused a few people to buy some rice and beans, so what? If you are wrong, and people are not prepared because you told them it was no big deal, how are you going to feel about that?


432 posted on 02/25/2020 11:02:50 AM PST by LilFarmer
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To: livius
the death rate is about 2%, which is within the high-normal range.

From what I have seen, this is false, but maybe you can point out some data that shows a 2% mortality (without going back to 1918) for the flu. Everything I've seen shows influenza (including influenza related pneumonia) to be less than 0.1%, with no significant outliers.

Most of the rest, I agree with, but understating the mortality by a factor of at least 20 isn't helpful. Part of what stops dangerous diseases from spreading is awareness and precautions, both at the personal and public health level. The more dangerous a disease is, the more people will take measures to avoid it. The flu is little more than a nuisance, so people don't take many precautions and tens of millions of Americans get infected every year. This isn't the flu, so people will be more cautious.

469 posted on 02/25/2020 12:37:13 PM PST by ETCM
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To: livius
I'm not sure if we should rely much on that 2% figure. With china's fake numbers mortality is 12% (don't look now but they've adjusted it to 9% today how lovely), but for ICU it's 65% per the latest Lancet study Feb 24. Then consider Iran - 12 cases 12 deaths - Persians aren't asians. Even smoking as a major factor could be questioned. Secondary bacterial overload damaging the heart, kidney, liver, lung and possibly stomach and intestines, seems just as culpable in mortality. And then there's the 'jelly like substance' aside from mucus found in the lungs (mentioned in another study) whatever that could be -but that's not something that is found in smokers lung, at least described that way. There's also the question of whether a hemopurifier such as used in ebola cases was employed in treatment either here or in China and how that could affect outcomes?

I do agree panic can do more damage than the disease. Just look at the psychotic behavior shown in China over the last 6 weeks towards the infected. I've been posting as many of those video clips as I can ferret out. Ukraine's response to a few busses was completely unhinged, too. We've even seen it in Calif, with sanctuary Costa Mesa folks who have no problem with illegals who may carry disease into their community (but allows them to wear shiny virtue-signaling badges), yet actually got a court order to prevent US citizen patients from being locked in a secure building for 14 days. Otoh, lulling folks into a sense of false security by discounting the disease as a 2percenter or old people problem or smoker problem can cause just as much damage. I'd much rather see people turn into clean-niks, carrying around a personal bar of soap to wash their hands and calling out the disgusting street spitters. :)

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474 posted on 02/25/2020 12:54:27 PM PST by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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