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To: youngidiot

Yes...the Jefferson troubles with Hamilton & Washington were disheartening.


9 posted on 02/20/2020 10:05:37 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome

Hamilton had issues


10 posted on 02/20/2020 10:16:18 PM PST by Jolla
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To: LongWayHome

Yes,they were all individuals, with many different talents and...conceits. Created by the English class system of royal grants and licenses with in the colonies— the monarchic system of Europe (English style) where one could not rise above a “station” if “assigned” for life and by birth to that station.

Hamilton was a literal bastard from the West Indies. Washington was a Loyalist— who was treated and regarded as a “primitive” colonial lesser by the Lords Proprietors, the King and his Privy Council. So— he desired to separate to rise in stature, but NEVER as king. Jefferson and Franklin— they were inventors,scientists- learned men and....”Frenchified” in the term used of the day.

Hamilton wanted to be powerful— and this is where he and Adams met. Hamilton and the First Bank (in HOCK to stock jobbers in NY and London— his “debt holding” pals- Please,don’t go down the path that “ a Nation needs to establish credit to conduct trade” argument Hamilton made).

Jefferson was correct, and with corrections we now know- so was Hamilton. But Hamilton and his pals WERE the nascent Mil- Industrial complex, who, like their banker pals of Europe found that loaning money as a way to make money is greatly enhanced by creating war over trade and merchant issues-— and in the process creating Sovereign debt (which was and is still the business model of the Rothschild cabal). Jefferson warned Adams of “Hamilton’s men” who claimed General Washington as their Patron, which he was not- they were his staff. And Jefferson’s legendary conflict through his life, came from a classicist agrarian idyllic notion of a nation of yeoman farmers vs. industrial factories that were to come (mechanization eliminating dependency on human labor,slave and indentures or sharecropping renters).

Here is an eloquent well written clip of the conflict— from “Adams” (well worth a full re-watching, well done) here described by some Hamilton lover as “schooling” Jefferson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notJuFGXQ9w

And the Hamilton revealed to Adams- over the Jay Treaty and beyond- who he was,during the time of the French Revolution and the position of France vs.Britain contemporaneous, and the roots of Secession (Connecticut’s Secession, not Southern):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaWBs46USqE

Jefferson hated Hamilton (as did Adams who came to learn who Hamilton really was, and also who Aaron Burr was and became). The new Nation created a group of Patriots who had to become Politicians— from a document that did not envision political parties. One would do well to study the history-— read all the correspondence, understanding the enigmas that were these great Patriots. And how “party” creation brought out the worst in Federalists and Anti-Federalists, and how the banking class profited greatly (as they always have tried) from the creeping Socialism of European failed politics intervening as they still do in our internal affairs.

Perhaps,FRiends, the flawed humans that now run our “govt.” (not the bureaucrats who are just... toadies and trough eaters— the DC Aventine contingent imho) but the true Constitutional Patriots can rid us ALL of the pestilence and corruption that is the “bipartisan” Establishment deep state.

There is not a one of the idiotic demonrat party— especially not the human cyber cypher Robert McNamara-like robot of techie Wall Street, Bloomberg (a truly stupid little man)— who has any sense or even concern of our Constution and our Republic to be preserved. There are quite a few trolls here on FR who “show their a@@” more than occasionally and reveal their “ancien” poltical wishes— the leftover Bushie Rino Dinos,and the Clintoonian arkie rockefeller controlled mobsters. The two dynasties still trying to run things for their own profit in the complex Eisenhower warned about. The dnc criminals and the gop-e who should be shut down totally from their petty political mercantilism.

It will take many more like Donald Trump to bring us back to the Founder’s Dream, their Brilliant creation. Without slavery, without parties that created this mess. Without foreign interference and “entanglements” (which Washington entreated his new country to avoid), and without olde visions and institutions counseling us.


50 posted on 02/21/2020 6:50:16 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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