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woodpusher: "I care not how some described it, there is no filibuster in the transcript, the bill passed at the same session it was introduced, and YOU stated "there was no way to prevent a minuscule minority from holding up business by refusing to surrender the floor."
I merely chose to agree with your claim that there was no way to prevent a minority from refusing to surrender the floor.
As the impossible cannot happen, the mythical filibuster must not have been defeated."

Some people called it an attempted filibuster.
You are free to call it whatever you wish.
You can read details of the filibuster here.

woodpusher: "When you are done just making crap up, let me know. "

When you are done misrepresenting the facts, let me know.

woodpusher: "I was a HOUSE RESOLUTION, HR-591.
It could not become Senator Trumbull's Senate Resolution by way of amendment.
The House accepted the revised text of HOUSE RESOLUTION 591.
You apparently cannot understand that the Senate cannot create a HOUSE Resolution.
It started as HR-591, and it finished as HR-591.
It did not become anything else. "

We are told that when HR-591 came out of joint conference committee it resembled neither the original HR-591 nor the Senate modifications to it, but rather was an original creation substituted by Senator Trumbull, with acquiescence by other committee Republicans.

"When it came time for the Senate to consider Stevens' indemnity bill

however, the Committee on the Judiciary's amendment substituted an entirely new bill for it...

On February 27, the [joint] conference committee issued its [HR-591] report.
The result was an entirely new [rewritten HR=591] bill authorizing the explicit suspension of habeas corpus."

woodpusher: "As the PPACA proved, as one of centuries of such proofs, a House appropriation bill, passed with amendments from the Senate, remains a bill originated in the House, as all appropriations bill must originate in the House.
Had Senate amendments made it a Senate bill, it would have been unconstitutional as an appropriation bill. "

I call woodpusher's phrase "centuries of such proofs" itself proof-positive that our new FRiend woodpusher is not a natural born English speaker.
Nobody raised in the English language could ever make such a mistake.

And to the point here: "The Habeas Corpus Suspension, 12 Stat. 755 (1863), entitled An Act relating to Habeas Corpus, and regulating Judicial Proceedings in Certain Cases..." was not an appropriation bill.
Regardless, HR-591 began in the House, was revised by the Senate and then, in effect, rewritten in the joint conference committee.
The rewritten version was then approved 99-44 in the House and, late at night, by voice vote in the Senate.

Now I'm out of time for today.

Some people called it an attempted filibuster.
You are free to call it whatever you wish.
You can read details of the filibuster here.

Your line at here sends the reader to Wikipedia, the source of all your anonymous misinformation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_Corpus_Suspension_Act_(1863)#Legislative_history

My source is the original verbatim transcripts of the proceedings in the Congress. Where your chosen source makes things up or get things wrong, the official record prevails.

We are told that when HR-591 came out of joint conference committee it resembled neither the original HR-591 nor the Senate modifications to it, but rather was an original creation substituted by Senator Trumbull, with acquiescence by other committee Republicans.

"We are told" by an anonymous source (perhaps the voice of Morgan Freeman spoke to BroJoeK and his talking mouse Clyven. Clyven has even come forward and spoken out.) in Wikipedia that the impossible happened and that a Senate committee substituted a Senate bill in place of a House Bill. The bill that went to committee was HR-591. The bill that came out of committee was HR-591. The bill that passed and became law was HR-591.

A committee cannot change a word of a bill. It can offer amendments which then must be voted on by the Congress before any change is actually effected. Strage as it must seem to Jovian history, committees do not vote to adopt amendments or bills as laws.

I call woodpusher's phrase "centuries of such proofs" itself proof-positive that our new FRiend woodpusher is not a natural born English speaker.
Nobody raised in the English language could ever make such a mistake.

I call BroJoeK's brain fart proof-positive that he is a grade school dropout. Nobody who ever made it to high school would ever posit such a stupid argument. This is especially true for one who is getting so thoroughly schooled on American history.

Regardless, HR-591 began in the House, was revised by the Senate and then, in effect, rewritten in the joint conference committee.
The rewritten version was then approved 99-44 in the House and, late at night, by voice vote in the Senate.

HR-591 was still HR-591. It started and remained HOUSE Resolution 591.