The final Conference Committee report -- Trumbull's rewritten bill -- was approved 99-44 in the House, by voice vote in the Senate.
Therefore it's only Trumbull's bill which really matters here, and it's interesting to learn that Trumbull called his bill an "indemnity bill" because, as I understand it, the word "indemnity" does not appear in it.
If it was, in fact, Trumbull's intention to indemnify President Lincoln without using the word "indemnify", that's interesting.
It brings to mind the debate of James Madison on the authority of a President to fire appointees.
Madison did not wish to say that, in the bill then under discussion, because he did not want it to seem like Congress was granting authority which, by the Constitution's intent, the President already had.
Perhaps Trumbull -- or at least his fellow Republicans -- did not wish to indemnify Lincoln for exercising powers he already had.
woodpusher on 1862 HR-591: "There was NO RECORDED VOTE on H.R. 599. (sic HR-591)
It is contested that a call for the nays was even called and heard.
The only record of the vote is the Presiding Officer stating, The ayes have it.
The yeas and nays were not counted and recorded.
This is your claimed overwhelming majority vote. "
So here is the sequence of events:
woodpusher quoting Randall: "It is significant that Stevens, the author of the indemnifying feature of the House bill, was not one of those who held, with the Attorney General, that the President had the right to suspend habeas corpus privilege.
Some who concurred in the Attorney General's opinion that the President had the full power to suspend, and to delegate such authority to subordinates, argued that no wrongs had been committed, and that no indemnification was necessary.
Conversely, the very basis of the bill of indemnity, in the minds of many who voted for it, was an assumption that the President did not constitutionally have this power, or at least a doubt as to the legality of this presidential suspension and a desire to clear up the matter once and for all."
Notice first that Lincoln's Attorney General, Edwin Bates, agreed Lincoln's actions were already authorized.
Second, here you've quoted my explanation exactly -- the word "indemnify" was removed because enough Republicans were convinced that no indemnity was necessary, while others (i.e., Trumbull) questioned if indemnity was even possible.
woodpusher: "It appears, amongst other things, that you must add the name of Thaddeus Stevens to your list of RINOs, Democrats and Traitors. "
Or perhaps that Stevens was satisfied enough with the substance of indemnity that he was willing to sacrifice the word itself, at Trumbull's insistence.
woodpusher: "It was agreed to take up the bill at 7 p.m. that evening.
Its passage was after midnight, in the early morning.
When did the filibuster take place?
When was the word indemnification (sic - indemnify) removed from the House Bill?"
"Indemnity" does not appear in the final version.
Democrats attempted to filibuster the evening of March 2.
One thing Ive realized in studying the history of America is that democrats have been the cause of a lot of the problems in this country.
Cloture had not yet been adopted as a rule in the Senate, so there was no way to prevent a minuscule minority from holding up business by refusing to surrender the floor..."
I accept your argument that there was no way to stop a filibuster and the bill therefore could not have come to a vote on the same evening it was presented for debate.
Therefore it's only Trumbull's bill which really matters here, and it's interesting to learn that Trumbull called his bill an "indemnity bill" because, as I understand it, the word "indemnity" does not appear in it.
It is impossible to be SENATOR Trumbulls bill. The bill was HOUSE Resolution 591. As I explained previously, there was a proposed Senate Amendment to a House Bill, much the same as was done with Obamacare, the PPACA. However the Senate proposes to amend it, it remains a House bill, and the proposal goes to the House to accept or reject, or a joint committee to iron out the differences before a vote.
Perhaps Trumbull -- or at least his fellow Republicans -- did not wish to indemnify Lincoln for exercising powers he already had.
The Congress refused to indemnify President Lincoln for his actions regarding habeas corpus. Congress passed an indemnity bill which indemnified those who carried out the Lincoln directives.
Notice first that Lincoln's Attorney General, Edwin Bates, agreed Lincoln's actions were already authorized.
Notice that the Constitution gave such authority to the Legislative Branch and Congress disagreed with the Executive Branchs unilateral action and refused to ratify it. The Courts placed the authority in the Legislative Branch.
Second, here you've quoted my explanation exactly -- the word "indemnify" was removed...."Indemnity" does not appear in the final version.
So, despite the name "Indemnity Bill", Trumbull's final Act did not use the word "indemnity"....
The word Indemnity was removed from what? When was the word Indemnity ever in the bill?
Moreover, it is just another example of your Juvenile logic.
Apply your logic to the Constitution. Art. IV, Sec. 2, Cl. 3 does not contain the word fugitive, nor the word slave, nor the term fugitive slave. By your juvenile logic, the fugitive slave clause did not exist.
Furthermore, you adhere to the Great Tricky Dick Defense:
Frost: So, what in a sense youre saying is that there are certain situations and the Huston plan or that part of it was one of them where the president can decide that its in the best interest of the nation or something and do something illegal.Nixon: Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal.
Frost: By definition
Nixon: Exactly exactly if the president if, for example, the president approves something approves an action, ah because of the national security or in this case because of a threat to internal peace and order of, ah ah significant magnitude then the presidents decision in that instance is one, ah that enables those who carry it out to carry it out without violating a law. Otherwise theyre in an impossible position.
As near as I can recall, that defense has not received very favorable reviews and a bunch of law breakers went to prison.