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To: BroJoeK; Bull Snipe; DiogenesLamp; OIFVeteran
woodpusher: "No source of documentation or legal authority is cited or claimed for this. In context, "at the time" was circa 1861. In 1861, Congress debated Lincoln's habeas corpus actions and refused to approve or ratify those actions."

[BroJoeK] No, I reported it exactly correct: at the time Congress debated Lincoln's actions -- beginning in 1861 -- and eventually authorized him to suspend habeas corpus, the 1863 Habeas Corpus Suspension act.

In 1863, Congress passed the Habeas Corpus suspension Act. Awesome. He finally obtained authorization from Congress, two years late.

Lincoln was not Congress and could not assume the powers of Congress. Lincoln had unlawfully authorized military officers to suspend habeas corpus at their discretion and further delegate their bogus authority.

In 1861, Congress flatly refused to ratify the actions of Lincoln. The bill, SR-1, was offered on the first day of the special session. Last ditch efforts on the last day of the session were met with such protest that it was withdrawn from a vote, lest President Lincoln be humiliated.

SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION SR-1 OF 1861

The proposed resolution stated:

Be it resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all of the extraordinary acts, proclamations, and orders hereinbefore mentioned, be, and the same are hereby, approved and declared to be in all respects legal and valid, to the same intent, and with the same effect, as if they had been issued and done under the previous express authority and direction of the Congress of the United States.

The items "hereinbefore mentioned" were:

First. He did, on the fifteenth day of April last, issue his proclamation calling upon the several States for seventy-five thousand men to suppress such insurrectionary combinations, and to cause the laws to be faithfully executed.

Secondly. He did, on the nineteenth day of April last, issue a proclamation setting on foot a blockade of the ports within the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas.

Thirdly. He did, on the twenty-seventh day of April last, issue a proclamation establishing a blockade of the ports within the States of Virginia and North Carolina.

Fourthly. He did, by an order of the twenty-seventh day of April last, addressed to the commanding general of the army of the United States, authorize that officer to suspend the writ of habeas corpus at any point on or in the vicinity of any military line between the city of Philadelphia and the city of Washington.

Fifthly. He did, on the third day of May last, issue a proclamation calling into the service of the United States forty-two thousand and thirty-four volunteers, increasing the regular army by the addition of twenty-two thousand seven hundred and fourteen men, and the navy by an addition of eighteen thousand seamen.

Sixthly. He did, on the tenth day of May last, issue a proclamation authorizing the commander of the forces of the United States on the coast of Florida to suspend the writ of habeas corpus, if necessary.

Section 4 pertained to Lincoln authorizing General Scott to suspend habeas corpus at the discretion of General Scott, and to further delegate authority to suspend the writ. It never even attempted to justify General Scott authorizing other military officers to suspend habeas corpus.

At the beginning of war, in the famous Merryman case, it was not Lincoln who suspended the writ, but General Keim in Pennsylvania, under delegation of suspension authority from General Scott. That was a bridge too far to even attempt to cross.

QUOTES FROM THE SENATE RECORD REGARDING SR-1

Congressional Globe, official record of Congress

Mr. President, in the State of Missouri, there was no "Law of the United States opposed, or the execution thereof obstructed by combinations of men too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings." Indeed, sir, there was no resistance of any United States law. Yet Missouri, peaceful and law abiding, without cause, against law and in defiance of the Constitution, was invaded by United States troops, by troops from Illinois, by troops from Iowa, and by troops from Kansas. Indeed, sir, it seems that from the very moment in which the administration resolved upon this policy of coercion, the State of Missouri was marked as a victim for sacrifice, for invasion, and subjugation.
— Mr. Polk, July 11, 1861, page 64 ~

The joint resolution would seem, upon the face of it, to admit that the acts of the President were not performed in obedience to the Constitution and the laws. If that be true, I should be glad to hear some reasons assigned by gentlemen showing the power of the Congress of the United States, by joint resolution, to cure a breach of the Constitution or to indemnify the President against violations of the Constitution and the laws. If, in any respect that officer has violated the laws, he has also violated the Constitution; because one clause of that instrument declares that "he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed." It confers on him the power to see that they are executed; but no power to violate them.
— Mr. Breckinridge, July 16, 1861, page 137

I deny, Mr. President, that one branch of this Government can indemnify any other branch of the Government for a violation of the Constitution or the laws. The powers conferred upon the General Government by the people of the States are the measure of its authority. Those powers have been confided to different departments, and the boundaries of those departments determined with perfect exactitude. The President has his powers and rights conferred on him by the Constitution; the legislative authority its powers and rights; the judicial authority its powers and rights; the judicial authority its powers and rights; and I deny that either can encroach upon the other, or that either can indemnify the other for a usurpation of powers not confided to it by the Constitution. Sir, Congress, by a joint resolution, has no more right, in my opinion, to make valid a violation of the constitution and the laws by the President, than the President would have by an entry upon the executive journal to make valid a usurpation of the executive power by the legislative department. Congress has no more right to make valid an unconstitutional act of the President, than the President would have to make valid an act of the Supreme Court of the United States encroaching upon executive power; or than the Supreme Court would have the right to make valid an act of the executive encroaching upon the judicial power.
— Mr. Breckinridge, July 16, 1861, page 137-138

It is proposed, sir, to approve and make valid the act of the President in enlisting men for three and five years. I ask you by what authority of Constitution or law he has done this act? The power is not conferred in the constitution; it has not been granted by the law. It is, therefore an unconstitutional and illegal act of executive power. The President, of his own will — and that is one of the acts enumerated in this joint resolution which is proposed to approve and ratify — has added immensely to the force of the regular Army. The Constitution says that Congress shall raise armies, and a law now upon your statute book limits the number of the regular force, officers and men. Hence, sir, that is an act in derogation both of the Constitution and of the laws.
— Mr. Breckinridge, July 16, 1861, page 138

The President has added immensely to the Navy of the United States. The Constitution says that Congress shall provide and maintain a navy; and there is now a law upon the statute book limited the number of men to be employed in the Navy. That, like the rest, sir, will not bear argument. I doubt if an attempt will be made to defend it upon constitutional or legal grounds. I pronounce it a usurpation.
— Mr. Breckinridge, July 16, 1861, page 138

I need not say to the Senate that in England, whence we derive this right, the legislative power alone can suspend it. We all know, sir, that the monarch of England cannot suspend it. We all know, sir, that the monarch of England cannot suspend that writ; but transatlantic freemen seem to be eager to approve and ratify acts which a European monarch would not dare to perform. Mr. President, it needs no elaborate argument to show that the executive authority of the United States has no right to suspend the writ of habeas corpus.
— Mr. Breckinridge, July 16, 1861, page 138

I enumerate what I regard as usurpations of the Executive to go upon the record as a protest of those of us who are not willing to see the Constitution subverted, and the public liberty trampled under foot, under whatever pretext, of necessity or otherwise.
— Mr. Breckinridge, July 16, 1861, page 139

I remember to have read, not long since, a speech made by the present able Secretary of War, in this city, in which he said that the southern States must be subdued, and that at the end of this contest there would be no more Virginians as such, or Carolinians as such; but only Americans all. Sir, the name of American is a proud one, and I love it; but it is the preservation of the names of Virginians and Pennsylvanians, and the distinctive existence of all these States, which alone can keep the name of American a proud one. I never want to see them blotted out. I said, sir, that in my opinion, the tendency was to change our character of government, and that the purpose, if not avowed, is acted upon to conduct those proceedings without regard to the limitation of the Constitution. these things I have enumerated go to show it. This Joint Resolution goes to show it. I call upon Senators to defend the constitutionality of these acts, or else to admit that we intend to conduct this contest without regard to the Constitution.
— Mr. Breckinridge, July 16, 1861, page 140

In the course of the same speech to which I have referred, that eminent Senator declared that not only must that country be ravaged by armies, but that unless the people of those States paid willing and loyal obedience to the Federal Government, their State form must be changed, and they must be reduced to the condition of Territories; to be governed by Governors sent from Massachusetts and Illinois. This was said seriously; and afterwards, when referred to by my colleague on a subsequent day, reaffirmed by that eminent Senator. If necessary, reduced to the condition of Territories! Is there authority in the Constitution to do it?
— Mr. Breckinridge, July 16, 1861, page 140-141

We can only hope that this flash of frenzy may not assume the form of chronic madness, and that in any event Divine providence may preserve for us and for posterity, out of the wreck of a broken Union, the priceless principles of constitutional liberty and of self-government. [Applause in the galleries.]
— Mr. Breckinridge, July 16, 1861, page 142

The suspension of the privilege of the habeas corpus by executive authority is a violation of the principles of public freedom which have been consecrated for centuries. These principles were dear to our Anglo-Saxon forefathers before the period of Magna Charta. From the days of Magna Charta, which, seeking to restore ancient rights, provided that no freeman should be taken or imprisoned without the lawful judgment of his peers, or the law of the land, down to the declaration of our independence, that principle has been dear to the freemen of England and America.
— Mr. Pearce, July 30, 1861, page 333

If necessity, which is an odious plea, known for hundreds of years as "the tyrant's plea" -- a plea by which you may overthrow all constitutional provisions -- if that plea is efficient here; if that is a justification for a violation of one provision of the Constitution, it is equally a justification for any and all violations of it.
— Mr. Pearce, July 30, 1861, page 333

So too, sir, these domiciliary visits, which are equally in violation of a provision of the Constitution, are sought to be justified by necessity. Now, let us see where these things are done. Nowhere, so far as I am informed, except in the State of Maryland, unless there be some exceptions in the State of Missouri.
— Mr. Pearce, July 30, 1861, page 334

My objection to taking up this resolution I will state in a word. I believe it is in order to state briefly the objection. This resolution which the Senator from Massachusetts seeks to take up is germane to the bill which is the unfinished business. The resolution proposed to declare legal the acts which have been done by the President in the recess of Congress. Will our declaration make them legal if they are not legal? Will it make them so if they were unconstitutional and void?
Mr. TRUMBULL, August 2, 1861, page 392

The Senator from Maine evidently entertains a very sincere conviction that the action of the President has not been in violation of the constitution or the laws; because he has asserted it six or seven times in the course of the brief speech he has made to the Senate. His convictions are evidently deep and sincere. All I have to say in reply to that is, that it will be a very great comfort to the President to be assured of that fact; for he himself has been under the impression that he has been transcending both; and, indeed, he admits it in his message, and puts it expressly on the ground of a popular demand and what he deemed to be a public necessity. It has also been admitted by many Senators on the other side of the chamber. I have not believed, all along, that the resolution was going to be voted by the Senate. I do not believe it now. It may be; but I think not. My deliberate judgment is, that in some mode the Senate will avoid putting itself on record in favor of the principles contained in this resolution. It is indifferent to me whether it does or not. Of course, every Senator will vote his own convictions if brought to a vote; but I do not think there are many Senators who want their names to go upon history in favor of this resolution.
— Mr. Breckinridge, August 2, 1861, page 392

The President issued a proclamation calling into the service of the United States forty-two thousand and thirty-four volunteers. It was clearly illegal; I am not satisfied it was necessary. I am inclined to think it was not.
— Mr. Howe, August 2, 1861, page 395

I cannot consent to give my approval to the fourth and sixth acts enumerated in the resolution, by which the President authorized the commanding General to suspend the writ of habeas corpus. I do not rise to make a speech; but to give the reason why I cannot vote for the resolution.
— Mr. Thomson, August 2, 1861, page 395

MR. WILSON. Let us have a vote.

MR. TRUMBULL. Now, my friend is clamorous. He cannot keep still. He says "let us have a vote." I am not disposed to vote upon the resolution. I will tell the Senator from Kentucky I am not prepared to vote for the resolution, and it is not going to pass without consideration. It is not going to pass in the shape it is by my approbation.
—Messrs. Wilson and Trumbull, August 5, 1861, page 453.

Trumbull, a supporter of Lincoln, stepped in to save Lincoln from a most embarrassing vote.

Mr. Trumbull stated, "The resolution proposed to declare legal the acts which have been done by the President in the recess of Congress. And Mr. Trumbull asked, Will our declaration make them legal if they are not legal? Will it make them so if they were unconstitutional and void?

Or, as Wikipedia fudges it, "Senator Lyman Trumbull, the Republican chairman of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, had reservations about its imprecise wording, so the resolution, also opposed by anti-war Democrats, was never brought to a vote." Uh huh.

286 posted on 03/16/2020 7:28:28 AM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher; Bull Snipe; DiogenesLamp; OIFVeteran; rockrr; x
woodpusher: "In 1863, Congress passed the Habeas Corpus suspension Act. Awesome.
He finally obtained authorization from Congress, two years late.
Lincoln was not Congress and could not assume the powers of Congress.
Lincoln had unlawfully authorized military officers to suspend habeas corpus at their discretion and further delegate their bogus authority."

Republicans in Congress then, just as today, tried to protect their President against insane Democrat attacks intent on destroying the United States by whatever means possible -- in this case Lincoln's denial of Habeas Corpus.
Treasonous Democrats were sometimes aided & abetted by RINO's, in your example here, Illinois Republican Senator Lyman Trumbull.

woodpusher: "Or, as Wikipedia fudges it, 'Senator Lyman Trumbull, the Republican chairman of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, had reservations about its imprecise wording, so the resolution, also opposed by anti-war Democrats, was never brought to a vote.'
Uh huh."

The 1861 S No. 1 was introduced by Massachusetts Republican Senator Henry Wilson (later President Grant's Vice President).
It was intended to protect President Lincoln against insanely traitorous Democrats and their Doughfaced Republican co-conspirators.
In 1861 Republicans had 62% of the US Senate and 58% of the House meaning they theoretically could have passed pretty much whatever they wanted.
But there were two problems, the first was the lack of a filibuster cloture rule, meaning Democrats could block pretty much anything in the Senate.
The second was Illinois Republican Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

So Woodpusher wishes to explain Republican Trumbull by regaling us with 17 quotes from US Senators, from July & August 1861 -- 10 from the Democrat traitor Breckenridge, one from the Democrat traitor Polk, two from Maryland Democrat slaveholder Pearce, one from NJ Democrat Thomson, one from Wisconsin Republican Howe and two from Illinois Republican Trumbull.
In the end Trumbull appears to buy the traitors' arguments that Congress can't legitimize what Lincoln already did.

We should also notice that Trumbull had lived & practiced law in Georgia, was originally a Democrat, voted against convicting & removing President Andrew Johnson, and that he left the Republicans to eventually become a Populist defending Socialist Eugene Debs.
In 1864 Trumbull's abolition bill became the US 13th Amendment.
So, bottom line: former Democrat Trumbull was willing to vote to defend Democrat President Johnson, but not to defend Republican President Lincoln.
Trumbull was willing to take seriously the words of traitors Breckenridge & Polk, but not those of his fellow Republicans and the bill's sponsor Henry Wilson.
Result was: The final 1863 bill, which Trumbull was instrumental in passing, authorized Lincoln to suspend Habeas Corpus, but said nothing about past suspensions.

In Trumbull's defense we might suppose he thought Lincoln did not need defending, while people wrongfully arrested did, and that Trumbull could never imagine, 160 years later, Democrats would still want to disinter Lincoln's body so they could publicly flog it over habeas corpus.

By stark contrast, the Confederate congress had no trouble authorizing Jefferson Davis to suspend habeas corpus, for the obvious reason that there were no Confederate Republican "strict constructionists" there to object.

289 posted on 03/16/2020 3:40:48 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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