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Posted on 02/11/2020 5:11:45 PM PST by Vermont Lt

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To: LilFarmer

U.S. Lacks Resources to Combat Rapidly Spreading Coronavirus
Feb. 12, 2020, 12:51 PM

The U.S. health-care system lacks the capacity to handle the coronavirus if the rapidly spreading outbreak can’t be contained, former CDC and FDA officials told a Senate panel.

“Slowing down the spread is important because if we have a lot of cases all at once, we simply don’t have the surge capacity to manage that in our health-care environment,” Julie Gerberding, executive vice president and chief patient officer at Merck & Co. said Wednesday at a Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee roundtable. Gerberding was the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during the SARS... rest is behind paywall.

If anyone comes across a link to this morning’s Senate roundtable, please post it.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/u-s-lacks-resources-to-combat-rapidly-spreading-coronavirus


121 posted on 02/12/2020 11:02:34 AM PST by LilFarmer
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To: dp0622

They had a good 5-6 week jump on us. Just announced that the Ruskies are watching 20K in their country for the virus.

Reports that the real deaths and infections in China now are 50K and 1.5M respectively. Don’t kid yourself.


122 posted on 02/12/2020 11:03:31 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: LilFarmer
US military approves 11 coronavirus quarantine camps next to major US airports which can treat 'up to 1,000 people' as the 13th American case is confirmed in California

The Department of Defense approved 11 'installation sites' near major airports around the US

They will be used if and when hospitals are unable to accommodate passengers in their own quarantine sites

The airports are located in Hawaii, Illinois, Texas , California , Georgia, New York, Washington state, Washington DC, New Jersey and Michigan

Americans returning from the coronavirus outbreak epicenter in Wuhan, China, are required to spend 14 days under quarantine

Those returning from China who did not visit Wuhan are subject to 14 days of self-isolation in their homes

Foreign nationals who have traveled to China in the last 14 days are not allowed into the US

Excerpted...more at link including photos and maps

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7992909/Military-approves-11-COVID-19-quarantine-camps-1-000-people-major-airports.html

123 posted on 02/12/2020 11:29:23 AM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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The Novel Coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, is Highly Contagious and More Infectious Than Initially Estimated

Abstract The novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is a recently emerged human pathogen that has spread widely since January 2020.

Initially, the basic reproductive number, R0, was estimated to be 2.2 to 2.7. Here we provide a new estimate of this quantity.

We collected extensive individual case reports and estimated key epidemiology parameters, including the incubation period.

Integrating these estimates and high-resolution real-time human travel and infection data with mathematical models, we estimated that the number of infected individuals during early epidemic double every 2.4 days, and the R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6.

We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective and early, strong control measures are needed to stop transmission of the virus.

Excerpted

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1

124 posted on 02/12/2020 11:35:24 AM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: LilFarmer
“1000’s” in self-quarantine?! The wheels are coming off.
125 posted on 02/12/2020 11:35:44 AM PST by 444Flyer (John 3 Revelation 20 Joshua 24:15 Pick a side..)
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To: Ancesthntr
They lead the world in starting plagues because they eat bats, and they are constantly together with pigs and ducks on their farms. Flu viruses are very able to jump from one species to another, and mutate when that happens, and the petri dish for that is China.
WRT your minuscule infection rate for all of China: first, we are still early in the game. Every disease starts with a single person...but what is important is how many get it after 6 or 12 months. You also seem to be believing the numbers that they are putting out. I know that we have pretty much nothing else to go on, but there is a consensus just about everywhere that China is lying to the entire world about this. Further, if it was such a minuscule percentage, why would they quarantine several hundred million people, and go around with giant machines spreading out massive amounts of disinfectant? Don’t believe their words, look at their actions for what the real truth is. The Chinese leadership is panicked over this thing, and that is because they know something that they have not let the rest of the world know.

I heard on the news this morning that the virus will have run its course by this April.

126 posted on 02/12/2020 11:38:56 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: LilFarmer
"Girl, 3, Readmitted to Hospital After Coronavirus Quarantine Published 2 hours ago"

Prayers up for this little one. I hope it doesn't turn out they sent her back 'mistakenly' the same as the other patient from UCSD. I think they just don't have any control over this. But it isn't a good idea to be sending her to Rady's to possibly expose other children who's immune system is compromised.

127 posted on 02/12/2020 11:39:52 AM PST by 444Flyer (John 3 Revelation 20 Joshua 24:15 Pick a side..)
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To: cloudmountain

“I heard on the news this morning that the virus will have run its course by this April.”


I read that some virologist who was studying it said the same thing, his thesis/position being that sunlight, warmer temps and more humidity will combine to kill it. Possibly - HOPEFULLY - he is correct.

But I also read that each corona virus is (of course) different, and that there is one which infects cats that is pretty much not affected by sunlight. So who knows until we get to the Spring. The Spanish flu of 100 years ago wasn’t so affected - but this is no an influenza virus, it is different. Oh, and this particular virus will, like all viruses, mutate at one or more points in the future, and whether those mutations make it more or less virulent, more or less communicable, more or less vulnerable to UV rays and warmer temps - well, that we’ll just have to wait and find out...it isn’t like we have much of a choice in the matter.

Again, hopefully the coming of Spring does the trick, and all of the medical authorities will have learned a lot from the experience of the lack 2-3 months. Maybe we’ll even have a vaccine in a year or so (though that’s no guarantee, there is STILL no AIDS vaccine despite billions having been poured into that research over the last 20 or so years).


128 posted on 02/12/2020 11:45:25 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: LilFarmer

How could y’all have possibly missed this cure?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cow-dung-cure-for-coronavirus-11581378967


129 posted on 02/12/2020 11:48:55 AM PST by bgill
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To: Ancesthntr

When I took physiology in college our class was told that VIRUSES are so nasty that scientists could WATCH them mutate right before their eyes...in the microscope.


130 posted on 02/12/2020 11:50:42 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: LilFarmer

Those who eat out everyday and have never had anything more than leftover fried rice in their fridge will be hard pressed to coming close to a month’s food prep. They’ll be calling for delivery until the last delivery man calls it quits.


131 posted on 02/12/2020 11:57:41 AM PST by bgill
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To: LilFarmer
“And the above is a govt. controlled quarantine. And we are supposed to feel safe knowing there are 1000s of people being told to self-quarantine?”

Uhhh, surrrrreeee...

2/12/20

“Patient jumps from hospital window to escape Coronavirus quarantine in Russia”

https://www.syracuse.com/health/2020/02/patient-jumps-from-hospital-window-to-escape-coronavirus-quarantine-in-russia.html

“2 Russians Flee Coronavirus Quarantine, In Dismay At Hospitals”

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/02/12/2-russians-flee-coronavirus-quarantine-in-dismay-at-hospitals/

“Climbing Out Windows, Breaking Door Locks: 3 People Reportedly Escape Coronavirus Quarantines in Russia”

https://time.com/5782790/3-people-escape-coronavirus-quarantine-russia/

132 posted on 02/12/2020 12:07:27 PM PST by 444Flyer (John 3 Revelation 20 Joshua 24:15 Pick a side..)
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To: LilFarmer

No country is ready for an epidemic of any form.

If Merck and their buddy, Perry, hadn’t been pushing HPV in schools, they could have put some time into basic medical supplies.


133 posted on 02/12/2020 12:07:32 PM PST by bgill
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To: 9YearLurker

“...Just announced that the Ruskies are watching 20K in their country for the virus.”

See #132.


134 posted on 02/12/2020 12:09:00 PM PST by 444Flyer (John 3 Revelation 20 Joshua 24:15 Pick a side..)
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To: 444Flyer

Self quarantined means hospitals don’t have the room or the personnel to deal with them.


135 posted on 02/12/2020 12:13:52 PM PST by bgill
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To: bgill

Even a case of canned soup is better than nothing.


136 posted on 02/12/2020 12:14:08 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: bgill

Yup


137 posted on 02/12/2020 12:15:12 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: bgill
I do eat out most days, but my pantry is prepared to lock the doors. I work from 8 AM to midnight daily with a meal break where I can see my wife and eat. A locked in state will change the work dynamics. I can and do work from home. My wife is a police/fire/EMS dispatcher. She must do that job in the dispatch center. If locked in for a quarantine, she won't be dispatching. There will be plenty of time for cooking. We're quite capable of cooking a wide range of cuisines.
138 posted on 02/12/2020 12:17:53 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: LilFarmer

FedEx:
Ocean Freight Industry Environment (as of Feb. 12, 2020)

The coronavirus situation in China and its impact on the global ocean freight industry continues to evolve. There are ongoing impacts to manufacturing in the local regions in China, as well as ongoing extensions of the Chinese New Year holiday. Some Chinese technology companies have extended their work-from-home policies for at least another week. Many factories are limited in their production capability due to a shortage of manpower. This manpower shortage may also impact local trucking.
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If demand far outpaces capacity supply in March, short-term spot rates could increase to levels several hundred dollars higher than the current long-term fixed rates. U.S. importers should consider preparing for possible ocean rate increases in early March, as consignees vie for constrained container slots.
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If the coronavirus outbreak lingers into March, ocean carriers could declare Force Majeure in order to justify higher rates across the board, although there is no indication of this yet. The FedEx Logistics Ocean teams are communicating with our ocean carrier partners about any possible alternative contingency routings that may be available in order to accommodate the likely spike in demand in March.

https://www.fedex.com/content/dam/fedex/us-united-states/Service-Alerts/images/2020/Q3/FXL_Service_Impact_2_12_20_2121165116.pdf


139 posted on 02/12/2020 12:28:53 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: LilFarmer

Coronavirus: two of the eleven hospitalized patients in France are cured

It is the first cure for patients on French soil. No new cases have been detected so far, according to the health ministry.

Le Monde avec AFP Posted today at 8:02 pm, updated at 8:26 pm

Two of the eleven people hospitalized in France after being contaminated by the new coronavirus are “cured” and have left the hospital, the ministry of health announced on Wednesday 12 February.

https://www.lemonde.fr/sante/article/2020/02/12/coronavirus-deux-des-onze-patients-hospitalises-en-france-sont-gueris_6029362_1651302.html


140 posted on 02/12/2020 12:30:41 PM PST by LilFarmer
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