“....more than the male students...”
Does it make any difference whether the wrong means more because it is predominately more female than male? You’re saying, if I understand you right, that it is a female problem and needs to be corrected because of that. I’m saying it is both ways, female and male, and needs to be corrected period. I don’t care which gender is being exploited or mistreated or trafficked. They’re both wrong.
“....arrest the women who patronize it.”
Again, you are never going to get the people that patronize it as it is done in every country on earth. And the using of ripped off people in another country for sexual exploitation is not within our capacity. Prostitution in Nevada is even legal outside the cities. So how do you account for that.
Additionally there are many male escort service for women for the purpose of string free “companionship.” One, cowboys4angels.com is a lot more than just street sex.
COWBOYS4ANGELS has been a hot topic over the past ten years in the press. We have personally appeared on the Tyra Banks show, the Dr. Phil show, 20/20, Night Line News, the Joy Behar Show, NatGeo Taboo, TLC Discovery and the list goes on. We have been featured in Playgirl, Glamour, Sheen, Hustler, Cosmopolitan and Esquire Magazine. Please take a moment to watch our recent press clips along with reading some of the articles of the agency. Hopefully you will be impressed with our level of professionalism and feel safe allowing us to provide you with an amazing encounter with one of our elite men. All at a cost of around $500 an hour. There are many more for both and different tastes. The net’s full of them. But they are discrete enough not to be obvious and get nailed in states other than Nevada.
And there are many other services that pamper to women like Mintboys that cater to both sexes and Rentboys that are gay only. You can look them up on the net. And if you think they aren’t making money, they wouldn’t be there. There’s even been TV shows and movies about houses like the Chicken Ranch and Mustang Ranch. Both were real and catered to both sexes.
“I see no evidence that the perception that men are the main patrons by a huge margin is not correct.”
I never said it was or wasn’t. I never provided any numbers. I didn’t provide any numbers that said men or women were more into solicited sex. I told you it would be impossible to give you a number either way because of the discretionary aspect of the job. I’m saying that women (janes) do exist in a large enough number to be a market.
But see, you and I have one major disparity, you want to catch the johns, just the men only even though there are many women pimps and solicitors in the business. And I want to catch the kidnappers that get them to where they have no hope of escape like in another country.
You can try to catch the men, and I can try to cut off the source of tools. But I am not going to determine whether more men than women, or oherwise use prostitutes when both are wrong and one is not worse than the other in that any both do.
Prostitution is not the problem in the US and the law displays that, it is well defined. A conviction for solicitation of prostitution can result in a jail sentence of up to a year in most states. First-time offenders typically face much shorter jail sentences, such as a maximum of between 30 days to six months. Felony convictions can result in a prison sentence of at least a year, and possibly five years or more.
Kidnapping is another story. Kidnapping convictions can result in lengthy prison sentences, including life sentences in some situations and states. Sentences of 20 years or more are common for first degree or aggravated kidnapping.
You want to put men in jail for no more than five years for solicitation and I want the kidnappers to get as much as life with 20 years common in most states with nothing attached yet for the Mann Act that will add a lot to it. You tell me which one is more contributory to the illicit sex and violence to the victim? The law speaks for itself.
“I have no doubt that female harassment and violence against males is higher than reported, but whose fault is it that it goes unreported?”
Who cares? You admit that it exists is all it needs to a need to stop it. But in your own words, female harassment and violence against males is higher than reported. And that would have to include sexual harassment just like the men. You can’t have both.
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To repeat from my last post, "If you're referring to human trafficking, of course they should arrest the women who patronize it."
Again, you are never going to get the people that patronize it as it is done in every country on earth. And the using of ripped off people in another country for sexual exploitation is not within our capacity.
I understand these challenges, but I don't understand why it means we shouldn't call out those who patronize it.
Prostitution in Nevada is even legal outside the cities. So how do you account for that.
What do I need to account for? Human trafficking, both selling and buying, is a crime regardless of whether prostitution is legal.
Additionally there are many male escort service for women for the purpose of string free “companionship.” One, cowboys4angels.com is a lot more than just street sex.
Since we're talking about kidnapping people and forcing them into prostitution, I'm waiting for your evidence that any of the men in these clubs was forced into it.
"COWBOYS4ANGELS has been a hot topic over the past ten years in the press....All at a cost of around $500 an hour."
And it must be true if they posted it on the Internet.
Rentboys that are gay only.
I don't doubt this. Given the promiscuity in the homosexual community, there is no reason to assume that homosexual men don't pay for it at the same rate as straight men. However, how does any of this refute my point on the buyer's role in human trafficking?
I’m saying that women (janes) do exist in a large enough number to be a market.
You keep saying that, but then respond to calls for evidence by saying there is no evidence. Well, if this is any indication, the market for male prostitutes for "janes" isn't that hot, no pun intended.
But see, you and I have one major disparity, you want to catch the johns, just the men only even though there are many women pimps and solicitors in the business. And I want to catch the kidnappers that get them to where they have no hope of escape like in another country.
I never said that I didn't want to catch the traffickers, male and female. I just want to help shine a light on the buyers who keep them in business and make it profitable. They're the reason this crap happens.
You can try to catch the men, and I can try to cut off the source of tools. But I am not going to determine whether more men than women, or oherwise use prostitutes when both are wrong and one is not worse than the other in that any both do.
I'll agree that any one man who patronizes human traffickers is no worse than any one woman, but billions are spent on human trafficking, and no one is under the illusion that women make up a large percentage of the buyers. If you want to ignore that the vast majority are men, it doesn't change the fact of it, or the that billions are spent on it that could have been used to fight against the injustices men are always complaining about.
You want to put men in jail for no more than five years for solicitation and I want the kidnappers to get as much as life with 20 years common in most states with nothing attached yet for the Mann Act that will add a lot to it. You tell me which one is more contributory to the illicit sex and violence to the victim? The law speaks for itself.
No, I want to treat patronizing the human traffickers as serious a crime as being the traffickers.
Who cares?
Men do, when it's their turn to get screwed. The problem is getting them to care enough to do something about it before it's their turn.
You admit that it exists is all it needs to a need to stop it. But in your own words, female harassment and violence against males is higher than reported. And that would have to include sexual harassment just like the men. You can’t have both.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but yes harrassment and assault against men (and boys) by females is more prevalent than is reported. But here's the problem.
How much money to women spend every year on fighting for their rights, and how much do they spend on prostitution?
Now, how much money to men spend every year on fighting for their rights, and how much do they spend on prostitution?
See the problem?