To repeat from my last post, "If you're referring to human trafficking, of course they should arrest the women who patronize it."
Again, you are never going to get the people that patronize it as it is done in every country on earth. And the using of ripped off people in another country for sexual exploitation is not within our capacity.
I understand these challenges, but I don't understand why it means we shouldn't call out those who patronize it.
Prostitution in Nevada is even legal outside the cities. So how do you account for that.
What do I need to account for? Human trafficking, both selling and buying, is a crime regardless of whether prostitution is legal.
Additionally there are many male escort service for women for the purpose of string free “companionship.” One, cowboys4angels.com is a lot more than just street sex.
Since we're talking about kidnapping people and forcing them into prostitution, I'm waiting for your evidence that any of the men in these clubs was forced into it.
"COWBOYS4ANGELS has been a hot topic over the past ten years in the press....All at a cost of around $500 an hour."
And it must be true if they posted it on the Internet.
Rentboys that are gay only.
I don't doubt this. Given the promiscuity in the homosexual community, there is no reason to assume that homosexual men don't pay for it at the same rate as straight men. However, how does any of this refute my point on the buyer's role in human trafficking?
I’m saying that women (janes) do exist in a large enough number to be a market.
You keep saying that, but then respond to calls for evidence by saying there is no evidence. Well, if this is any indication, the market for male prostitutes for "janes" isn't that hot, no pun intended.
But see, you and I have one major disparity, you want to catch the johns, just the men only even though there are many women pimps and solicitors in the business. And I want to catch the kidnappers that get them to where they have no hope of escape like in another country.
I never said that I didn't want to catch the traffickers, male and female. I just want to help shine a light on the buyers who keep them in business and make it profitable. They're the reason this crap happens.
You can try to catch the men, and I can try to cut off the source of tools. But I am not going to determine whether more men than women, or oherwise use prostitutes when both are wrong and one is not worse than the other in that any both do.
I'll agree that any one man who patronizes human traffickers is no worse than any one woman, but billions are spent on human trafficking, and no one is under the illusion that women make up a large percentage of the buyers. If you want to ignore that the vast majority are men, it doesn't change the fact of it, or the that billions are spent on it that could have been used to fight against the injustices men are always complaining about.
You want to put men in jail for no more than five years for solicitation and I want the kidnappers to get as much as life with 20 years common in most states with nothing attached yet for the Mann Act that will add a lot to it. You tell me which one is more contributory to the illicit sex and violence to the victim? The law speaks for itself.
No, I want to treat patronizing the human traffickers as serious a crime as being the traffickers.
Who cares?
Men do, when it's their turn to get screwed. The problem is getting them to care enough to do something about it before it's their turn.
You admit that it exists is all it needs to a need to stop it. But in your own words, female harassment and violence against males is higher than reported. And that would have to include sexual harassment just like the men. You can’t have both.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but yes harrassment and assault against men (and boys) by females is more prevalent than is reported. But here's the problem.
How much money to women spend every year on fighting for their rights, and how much do they spend on prostitution?
Now, how much money to men spend every year on fighting for their rights, and how much do they spend on prostitution?
See the problem?
“How much money to women spend every year on fighting for their rights, and how much do they spend on prostitution?
Now, how much money to men spend every year on fighting for their rights, and how much do they spend on prostitution?”
It has nothing to do with how much money is spent by people in the US. You are so worried about finding the little guy being more guilty than the little gal, that it overshadows the real problem entirely.
You are calling the sex traffic industry just prostitution and I’m calling it a crime long before it reaches that stage. You overlook the kidnapping and forced participation very short sidedly worrying about the end game cost.
The real cost is not in how much money for rights or privileges are being afforded by apparently men only which I read as the gist of your entries. The real cost is the destruction of lives through kidnapping and torture. You don’t seem to care that is going on as you are just after the men who partake of it long after the fact.
I have provided you with sites, names, and proof of existence of things you have asked for. Now it’s your turn. Please provide to yourself the percentages of women that were forced into prostitution at street levels by an organization they joined versus one they were kidnapped into. You won’t find that one as there is no way to determine that. And don’t limit your self to just the street occupation. Go into porn, the S & M groups, the child trade, and look at it overseas both coming and going. If you can find it, you’ll find it is astronomical. And in many countries...legal.
But here’s some interesting thoughts about the sex industry in a study done by Time Magazine:
Some parts of the industry are more marketable than others.
Family has a greater influence on the decision to go into sex work then previously thought. The study found that pimps and sex workers were often encouraged by family members to get into the business.
Sex work isn’t all that lucrative, but it seems to offer a way out from even more dire circumstances.
And the worst of all:
One illicit sex industry that defied economic calculus was the child pornography industry. According to the study, kiddie porn is often traded for free.
And I’ll almost guarantee you that a vast majority of those kids were kidnapped. Catch the kidnappers and you kill the source of the industry. Catch the john or jane and you provide room for another one from an already provided source.
How much money provided by people based upon gender who partake of the industry means nothing to me. It’s wrong both ways. But it’s worse by not stopping the source.
Thank you for the conversation. I hope you find what you are looking for. So long.
rwood