Bleach Bitch™. Cleans the whole basket of viruses, emails, computer surfaces, hard-drive, anti-virus, anti-emails, you name it!"
Posted on 01/31/2020 7:33:09 AM PST by ChiefJayStrongbow
It’s been widely reported that the virus can live on surfaces for over two weeks. The US and other countries import vast amounts of goods that are manufactured throughout China. These goods are air and ocean freighted throughout the world.
Governments are focused on quarantining people who show signs of infection (although it’s also been reported that an infected person need not show signs of an infection and can still transmit the virus), but we are overlooking the more insidious vector of foods and non-food items that come from potentially infected regions.
Our highly efficient distribution networks may exponentially speed the growth curve of this disease to the point that quarantines become useless.
translated: no flames, but *yikes*.
Do you have any LINKS to your claims?
Ping : Post #39 (Important)
“We report here that pathogenic human coronavirus 229E remained infectious in a human lung cell culture model following at least 5 days of persistence on a range of common nonbiocidal surface materials….We show here that a closely related human coronavirus, 229E, which causes upper respiratory tract infection in healthy individuals and serious disease in patients with comorbidities, remained infectious on surface materials common to public and domestic areas for several days……”
“In this new study, human coronavirus 229E was rapidly inactivated on a range of copper alloys (within a few minutes for simulated fingertip contamination) and Cu/Zn brasses were very effective at lower copper concentration. Exposure to copper destroyed the viral genomes and irreversibly affected virus morphology, including disintegration of envelope and dispersal of surface spikes. Cu(I) and Cu(II) moieties were responsible for the inactivation, which was enhanced by reactive oxygen species generation on alloy surfaces, resulting in even faster inactivation than was seen with nonenveloped viruses on copper. Consequently, copper alloy surfaces could be employed in communal areas and at any mass gatherings to help reduce transmission of respiratory viruses from contaminated surfaces and protect the public health.”
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
This research was supported by the Copper Development Association, New York, and the International Copper Association, New York.
You didn’t actually read the paper.
Did you.
Under ‘Results’:
“RESULTS
Coronavirus persists in an infectious state on common surface materials for several days. An inoculum of 103 plaque forming units (PFU) persisted on polyfluorotetraethylene (Teflon; PTFE), polyvinyl chloride (PVC), ceramic tiles, glass, and stainless steel for at least 5 days (and 3 days for silicon rubber) at 21°C and a relative humidity of 30% to 40% (Fig. 1).”
Note the ‘at least 5 days’ part?
HTH.
The lung cell culture is how they GREW the coronaviruses they used in the experiment.
They didn’t put human lung cells on those surfaces.
I favor neither stringency nor laxity, but try to choose what the situation dictates.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2863430/
Up to 28 days at certain temps / humidity for similar virus
Plus air freight is faster.
... apologies if this
Interesting, thank you!
“Coronavirus: lives on surfaces for 2 to 4 weeks. We’re limiting the travel of people from infected regions but not the flow of goods”
ah ... i see you’re doing your part to carry on the FR tradition of unnecessary alarmism based on ignorance ...
it’s also been widely reported that the virus lives for hours on surfaces, rather than weeks, but you’ve chosen to omit that particular factoid:
https://www.google.com/search?q=corona+virus+surfaces+hours
Also,you chose to omit that the CDC has SPECIFICALLY addressed the issue of goods from china which states:
“Q: Am I at risk for novel coronavirus from a package or products shipping from China?
There is still a lot that is unknown about the newly emerged 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) and how it spreads. Two other coronaviruses have emerged previously to cause severe illness in people (MERS and SARS). 2019-nCoV is more genetically related to SARS than MERS, but both are betacoronaviruses with their origins in bats. While we don’t know for sure that this virus will behave the same way as SARS and MERS, we can use the information from both of these earlier coronaviruses to guide us. In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures. Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread most often by respiratory droplets. Currently there is no evidence to support transmission of 2019-nCoV associated with imported goods and there have not been any cases of 2019-nCoV in the United States associated with imported goods. Information will be provided on the 2019 Novel Coronavirus website as it becomes available.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html
Read down the thread.
Pubmed is great.
It’s also ‘yours’.
Assuming you’re a US citizen.
Also, at the main pubmed link. Move the selector to MeSH. search for something like, ‘infertility’, or ‘colon cancer’. or your choice.
OK.
There have been some nice flamewars on these threads ("Less virulent! Tastes great") over those who hype everything, and those who think everything is hype.
There's an old saying about Global Warming, "I'll believe it's a problem, when those who are lecturing me ACT like it's a problem."
China has been acting like it's a problem for a couple of weeks; early publications in The Lancet showed epidemiology and such which said, China's reaction was not necessarily far-fetched.
Those Asiatic countries closest to China ALSO took it very seriously.
The next concentric ring was epidemiologists and academics of that ilk, who *said* "Hey guys, this is different."
Last to take _public_ action were the US public health officials; I don't ever before recall reading about screenings of incoming aircraft followed by quarantine and contact tracing.
Nor do I recall the Head of the CDC and similar high-level bigwigs holding a joint news conference in the middle of the day to talk about it.
...so *something's* up. But given the publications in The Lancet, it may be a couple of weeks to see if the precautions were overkill, sufficient, or too little too late.
Coronalocks and the three Beers, or something.
Friendly agreement.
just taking an angle based on stuff I’ve read. I pasted a link above on a study of corona viruses where they survive up to 28 days at 4 degrees Celsius. We receive massive amounts of temperature controlled shipping containers shipping containers that are maintained at lower temps.
Calling my post ignorant isn’t called for. (I was thinking of calling g you a d-bag, but decided against it). It’s a difference of opinion based on sourcing.
The wait and see approach that the CDC is recommending is reactive and not preventative. I would argue that we should stop shipments until we know how long it survives in different conditions. And then we can receive when we know we can do so safely.
During the eight year Obama reign , almost all Federal agencies including the CDC were politicized. Woke politics and globalist concerns take precedent over real science. The policies and pronouncements of the CDC during the Ebola crisis were bizarre. For instance a key question in the susceptibility, virulence and lethality of a pathogen in any population group has much to do with the inherent genetic susceptibility of a definable population group. Yet to say that Asiatics may be more susceptible genetically to SARS and certain strains of coronavirus is very politically incorrect. It is verboten to point out that there are definable genetic differences in definable groups. If a scientist ignores these delusional, restraints and tells the truth, he risks losing funding and his job. Lysenko lives.
Even if there are ethnic differences in the etiology of this disease, we still have a LOT of people, citizens, who are of Asian descent. I’d rather take action that avoids putting 25% of those over 45 or 50yrs in the ICU for a month.
Jim Noble:" The New England Journal of Medicine published overnight (epub)
two very well documented cases of transmission by an asymptomatic individual,
one of which led to a cluster (in Germany).
Accounts are free at nejm.org, yes, their politics are horrible
but this real-time publishing is very helpful and informative."
"The implication, already taken up by India, is that arriving travelers from China
must be isolated for 14 days."
Further comments by FReep posters demonstrate much controversy on infectious issues.
Well worth your time to review all postings as there is much which still remains unknown about this virus. The fact that there is now evidence of asymptomatic transmission indicates that perhaps current healthcare testing may not be fully adequate.
There have been some instances where over-the-counter flu
medications may have falsified thermal testing results.
Bleach Bitch™. Cleans the whole basket of viruses, emails, computer surfaces, hard-drive, anti-virus, anti-emails, you name it!"
Widely? Where?
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