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This newly restored 15th-century lamb is worrying art lovers
CNN ^ | 22nd January 2020 | Rob Picheta

Posted on 01/22/2020 8:19:59 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: livius
Yes, way too much. Plus, y'know, from time to time they weren't trying to do anatomically correct paintings of animals, particularly not in this case.

61 posted on 01/22/2020 11:10:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I didn’t see a spigot.....................


62 posted on 01/22/2020 11:10:52 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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To: Publius
:^) And that was a surprisingly restrained response by the big M, considering he'd complained in a letter home that Julius hadn't paid him a cent in a year.

63 posted on 01/22/2020 11:22:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Julius was too busy spending his money on war. A true blight on the papacy.


64 posted on 01/22/2020 11:24:33 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill & Publius available at Amazon.)
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To: fruser1

I could very eaily see Jan (or Hubertus) Van Eyck painting the lamb the way it is shown despite them both being masters of their craft as well as knowing perfectly well what a real lamb looks like. The symbolism of the day was often more important than fidelity to reality.


65 posted on 01/22/2020 1:03:28 PM PST by niteowl77
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To: American in Israel

They didn’t repaint the picture. They removed painting that had been done OVER the original. The ‘weird’ lamb IS the original lamb.


66 posted on 01/22/2020 1:30:32 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: niteowl77; CharlesWayneCT

I think post 51 has got it. Some later painter, fancying himself more technically able, decided to repaint the lamb more ‘realistically’.

I think they have ways of ‘x-raying’ old paintings to see if there are pictures underneath (terahertz spectroscopy); but I wonder if they can tell how much later a layer of paint was added over an original...


67 posted on 01/22/2020 4:40:06 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: Jamestown1630

If you look close you can see the eyes as they originally were under the paint before this last restoration.


68 posted on 01/22/2020 4:51:11 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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To: Red Badger

PAINTER:
OK, OK, let me see if I understand what you want?
You want me to paint a man that looks like a sheep?

ENDOWER:
No, I want you to paint a sheep that looks like a man.

PAINTER:
You got it, boss.


69 posted on 01/22/2020 4:52:14 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: right way right

My eyes aren’t that good :-)

But the thought struck me that some of these ‘paintings over’ have actually served to preserve the work and intent of the original artist. The painters-over didn’t know that someday we’d have the ability to detect and bring back.


70 posted on 01/22/2020 4:56:34 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: gloryblaze

I’m not sure what you mean; but the people back then thought very differently than we do today.

Pictorial Symbol was very important - most people couldn’t read. They ‘learned’ important concepts from paintings like this, and from all the other paintings, statuary - even the architecture itself - of the churches.

I think the original Lamb, as re-discovered in this painting, is very beautiful.


71 posted on 01/22/2020 5:29:26 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: Jamestown1630

Oh, thanks I see. I also see why the artist rejected his first try.


72 posted on 01/22/2020 5:58:02 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

Well, if that’s how you see it, I can’t help.....:-)


73 posted on 01/22/2020 6:02:12 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: Jamestown1630
I’m not sure what you mean; but the people back then thought very differently than we do today.

Absolutely.

Most people from the Middle Ages would have no trouble understanding why Van Eyck painted that lamb as he originally did. The Lamb of God might not be comprehended - nor found acceptable - by them if presented simply as a realistic lamb from a contemporary Flemish barnyard.

It took the high-priced smarties of the Renaissance to "reeducate" us.

74 posted on 01/23/2020 9:11:31 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: niteowl77

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75 posted on 01/23/2020 4:48:31 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: dhs12345
Not an expert but it definitely different from the original. Anatomically, I don’t think that a lamb’s eye faces that forward (as a predator might). The original is more accurate.

It's the 'weird' one that's the original! and you're right, a lambs eyes do not face forward but sideways for greater span..............

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76 posted on 07/30/2020 5:11:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (To a liberal, 9-11 was 'illegal fireworks activity'..........................)
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To: Red Badger

Why did they paint Jar Jar Binks eyes onto the thing? What a disaster!


77 posted on 07/30/2020 5:15:51 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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To: Sirius Lee

That’s the point I’m trying to make, the ‘ORIGINAL’ is the weird looking one!

The ‘restorer’ painted a more normal looking sheep, even moved the ears.

The original artists wanted the face to look like that!.........................


78 posted on 07/30/2020 5:18:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (To a liberal, 9-11 was 'illegal fireworks activity'..........................)
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To: Sirius Lee

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79 posted on 07/30/2020 5:19:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (To a liberal, 9-11 was 'illegal fireworks activity'..........................)
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To: Red Badger

As much as I would like to read the entire article, I have no interest in putting money in CNN’s pocket. If everyone here did the same, maybe CNN would go out of business.


80 posted on 07/30/2020 6:03:23 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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