Posted on 12/27/2019 12:07:48 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
As top Russian officials were summing up the results of 2019, one subject stood out in President Vladimir Putin's pronouncements: Poland and its role in World War Two.
Over the past seven days, he mentioned it no fewer than five times at key meetings - some of which had little to do with history or even foreign policy. In an unusual outburst at a Defence Ministry board on 24 December, he described the Polish ambassador to Nazi Germany as "scum and an anti-Semite pig".
Two hours later, he brought the subject up again at a meeting with parliamentary leaders. State Duma speaker Vyacheslav Volodin thanked Putin and demanded an apology from Poland.
Vladimir Putin's criticism of Poland follows a European Parliament resolution which blames both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany for the outbreak of World War Two.
The USSR's victory in World War Two is one of the most venerated pillars of state ideology, and more than 70 years on it is still celebrated with much fanfare and bombast every year. It is also a key way for President Putin to legitimise himself and his expansionist foreign policy as a successor to the Soviet empire. So the Kremlin sees any criticism of what is known in Russia as the Great Victory as an attack on itself.
None of which is, of course, reason enough for Poland to accept the accusations, which it has described as "false narratives".
They are a highly sensitive subject in Poland, which outlawed suggestions of complicity in Nazi war crimes in 2018. Following an outcry, the law was softened to make them a civil, not a criminal offence.
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The reason is, the Germans knew that if they gave a Pole a rifle, the first thing the Pole would do with it is to shoot the German with it.
Agree about the occupation. And I think that’s the only thing that would ever work with Islam. An American occupation combined with a brutal ban on Islam just as we did with nazism and militarized shinto in Japan.
You have to rule it with an iron fist until a generation of kids is trained in the new way. And none of that will work until they are standing in a smoking ruin with broken hearts wanting it end and ready to submit.
The occupation was very effective.
Well the smartest thing McArthur did was to insist on Japan keeping Hirohito, after the war.
And frankly, what goes on even today between Koreans, Chinese and Japanese with regards to WWII, makes this look like Child’s Play.
Good point... I say they better get their collective heads out of their keisters or they will find themselves forced to bow to the east and mutter insane and incomprehensible things...
The Czechs had a huge expulsion of Germans after the war.
A lot of those Germans never made it out, if you catch my drift.
Yep. MacArthur was a very poor General. But he was the classic right man in the right place to govern Japan. His ego was supremely suited for being a lord dictator to a broken subservient people.
And his masterstroke was keeping Hirohito, but making him admit he was a mere mortal and not a god.
I understand people in Japan today still admire him. They expected utterly brutal treatment in defeat, as they visited on others.
I just recently read of that Czech expulsion in the last year or two, and here in FR. Reading a book right now called “Embracing defeat” about Japan after the surrender. The Germans and other understood defeat as a concept, but the Japanese were shaken to their core ina way we can scarcely understand.
Reminds me of Jap POWs who started working for us. In their mind they were so dishonored they could never go home. They considered themselves already dead and started their new existence.
One reason is that there is no natural boundary (like a sea or mountains) between Western Russia and Europe. The northern east European plain is all flat. This has been the traditional route for Western armies seeking to invade Russia in the past, like the Teutonic Knights, Napoleon, Hitler, Poland and Lithuania in the Time of Troubles, etc. Russia has historically sought to have a kind of neutralized buffer zone to its West.
When Gorbachev agreed to move Russian forces out of East Germany he was promised at the time, by Kohl, Mitterand, and George H. W. Bush, that “NATO would not move one step East” - but he never got the promise in writing.
How much did Poland know about Hitler in 1938 when it joined Germany in invading Czechoslovakia?
I guess they found out later when Ribbentrop demanded Danzig as the price for continued 'nonaggression'.
Graj w głupie gry, wygrywaj głupie nagrody
Sigh, they did not join Germany in anything. The Germans simply didn’t care what Poland did, because they knew they’d get it all anyway in another year.
Never said Poland was perfect.
Lets be clear...I’ve provided two specific examples where Poland did in fact join Germany, first with the 1934 non-aggression treaty that created a settled border between the two countries and again in 1938 when Poland followed Germany in the invasion/annexation of Czechoslovakia territory. Not to mention the bilateral trade deals between the two countries which helped Hitler rebuild the country.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say Poland did not join France in anything during the years leading up to WW2.
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“” “” Perhaps it would be more accurate to say Poland did not join France in anything during the years leading up to WW2.
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Let’s say Poland blocked the French-Soviet defence treaty refusing the passage rights to both militaries they sought in case of German attack on one of the above. It would be historically correct.
Nice try comrade but you “forgot” that “almost all of Europe” didn't sign a secret protocol dividing a large part of Europe between them and “Nazis”, didn't invade half a dozen of countries, didn't send millions of people from those countries to concentration camps in Siberia and didn't supply “Nazis” with millions tonnes of natural resources when they were launching Auschwitz.
That's your story. Now facts:
* Your “ruler” have his dirty mouth full of that nonsense since 2 weeks while the whole civilized world is laughing at him.
* If there was any resolution of Europarliament condemning the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, It must have been passed months ago, it's friggin December.
* If there was any resolution of Europarliament condemning the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, that's a “master of the obvious” kind of thing, which should be repeated by default each and every year and a country claiming heritage of the most murderous regime in the history of mankind should at the very least, shut the hell up.
* Given Kremlin's control over the media, if any Estonian journalist asks anything that's because they want him to ask that. Why ?
I remember when +10 years ago Russians were all over international internet forums with their forecasts that Russia's GDP per capita will reach the level of Italy in 10 years and next... Now, when all of that went down the closet, all you have is that nonsense about “Ukrainian Nazis”, “Estonian Nazis” etc. Several years from now you will be eating your potatoes hearing about the latest conflict with San Marino over their collaboration with the 3rd Reich. It's quite funny actually.
Who said they don’t have a right to ask for apologizes every day? It is part of freedom of speech and press after all.
But it doesn’t mean they are entitled to hear apologizes everytime they ask.
And while you are at it the Polish authorities has the same right to hear about ‘Polish death camps’. That’s because there were Nazi death camps in Poland do you like it or not.
Or maybe it is a sort of free speech you don’t support? That is somehow selective but I guess yours do not realize it and never will.
Is it really important when the resolution passed? You say Russia is stuck in the past but I don’t see it pushing resolutions condemning Polish invasion. That’s because they live in the 21th century but the Polish government isn’t.
As for the ‘foul mouth ruler’ he used some harsh words to describe a Polish FM official who said: ‘Hitler deserves a monument if he finally solves our Jewish problem’.
Are you with Poland or Putin on this? I am sorry but this statement above is pretty much anti-semitic and deserves some harsh criticism.
Or maybe your vision of freedom of speech puts such criticism into the same place as Polish death camps?
As for your ‘civilized world’ stuff it reminds a Lvov Nazi vandalizing a ‘Moscovite’ home in East Ukraine for being too decent. These dimwit morons never seen an indoor bathroom before invading Donbas but they believe they are a civilizing Western force.
As for the rest Ukraine and Poland are now the globalist tools used against the Russian economy. Russia did nothing bad to Poland in modern history to justify that anti-Russian policies it is pushing in EU.
And I am not anti-Polish saying that. I know a number of decent Polish people and respect a lot of things Polish but it doesn’t extend to the people currently in charge of Poland.
They once again are writing checks they can’t cash.
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