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To: OIFVeteran
It's the same old thing. It's focusing on "secession statements" and he is mistaken when he said "all" of the Southern states listed slavery as the primary reason, so he's just wrong about that.

Again, the North had taken slavery off the table by passing the Corwin amendment through congress. What I mean here is that so far as the Northern states were concerned, slavery could persist indefinitely, therefore they were not fighting against the South because the South had slavery.

The North did not launch a war over slavery. They just didn't.

Ergo, "slavery" was not the cause over which the war was began.

813 posted on 01/19/2020 2:46:18 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The North didn’t launch a war, and you know that. The rebels in the southern states started a war by firing the first shot at an American fort.

Now you should also know that the reason the slavocracy rebelled is because of slavery. They mention slavery more than any other reason in both their declarations and the statements they made at their rebel conventions.


815 posted on 01/19/2020 3:21:03 PM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: DiogenesLamp

I think about this and I wonder: “Why at Fort Sumter?
Many other federal properties had already come under Confederate control.

History does not record any shots fired at:

South Carolina seizures:
United States Arsenal at Charleston
Fort Moultrie
Fort Johnson
Castle Pinckney

Georgia seizures:
United States Arsenal at Augusta
Dahlonega Mint
Fort Jackson
Fort Pulaski
Oglethorpe Barracks

Alabama seizures:
United States Arsenal at Mount Vernon
Fort Morgan
Fort Gaines

Mississippi seizure:
Fort Massachusetts on Ship Island

Florida seizures:
United States Arsenal at Apalachicola
Pensacola Navy Yard (Warrington Ship Yard)
Fort Marion
Fort McRee
Fort Barrancas and Barrancas Barracks

Louisiana seizures:
United States Arsenal at Baton Rouge
New Orleans Mint
United States paymaster’s office at New Orleans
Fort Jackson
Fort Saint Philip
Fort Pike
Fort Macomb
Baton Rouge Barrack

Texas seizures:
United States Arsenal at San Antonio
Fort Clark
Camp Verde
San Antonio Barracks

Arkansas seizures:
United States Arsenal at Little Rock
United States ordnance stores at Napoleon
United States subsistence stores at Pine Bluff
Fort Smith

North Carolina seizures:
United States Arsenal at Fayetteville
Charlotte Mint
Fort Johnston
Fort Caswell
Fort Macon

Missouri seizures:
United States Arsenal at Liberty
United States ordnance stores at Kansas City


818 posted on 01/19/2020 3:45:27 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: DiogenesLamp
The North did not launch a war over slavery. They just didn't.

The South seceded over slavery. They launched their war to further that aim.

835 posted on 01/20/2020 6:26:54 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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