LOL! I think not.
I am referring to historical fact that you keep trying to cover up, about Lincoln’s behind-the-scenes promotion of the first thirteenth Amendment that would have made slavery permanent.
But it was an amendment without hope of ratification. A desperate attempt to keep the Southern states who had already adopted a constitution that protected slavery to an extent the Corwin amendment never dreamed of. More important than that is the actual 13th Amendment and Lincoln pushed for that far harder than his tepid support for Corwin's mistake.
Admit it. Lincoln and the “republicans” didn’t give a hoot about slaves, except as political pawns.
I think it would depend on the Republican. Some had more concern than others. Lincoln's concern for slaves was far outweighed by his concern for the country as a whole, I will grant you that.
Yes, racial hatred in the South began in the North and by the “republicans.”
LOL! Racial hatred in the South existed long before the rebellion and grew worse after the rebellion was over. And before you get all huffy about it, I will also freely admit that racial tolerance in the north was not a whole lot better than that in the south. Again, before the rebellion and after.
The bottom line is, the 19th-century “republicans” were the Clinton Mafia of those days, and Lincoln was their Mob Boss, followed by the just as greedy and corrupt, U. S. Grant.
Yada yada yada, blah blah blah.
I can never get a straight answer out of you (nor can anyone else.) Which question are you referring to?
Let's begin with what your issue with voluntary emigration for free blacks, a program that began before Lincoln was born and which was supported by prominent people north and south, really is? You seem to believe that Lincoln invented it and was its sole supporter.
So, your patron saint was a lying politician. Imagine that? What else was he lying about? The Emancipation Proclamation, perhaps? Freeing the slaves?
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>>DoodleDawg wrote: "More important than that is the actual 13th Amendment and Lincoln pushed for that far harder than his tepid support for Corwin's mistake.
I cannot find any sources that confirm your statement. Where are you sources?
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>>Kalamata wrote: "Admit it. Lincoln and the “republicans” didn’t give a hoot about slaves, except as political pawns."
>>DoodleDawg wrote: "I think it would depend on the Republican. Some had more concern than others. Lincoln's concern for slaves was far outweighed by his concern for the country as a whole, I will grant you that.
From what I have read, Lincoln could care less about the plight of blacks, free or slave. But if you have evidence that he truly cared about black people, then please present it.
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>>Kalamata wrote: "Yes, racial hatred in the South began in the North and by the “republicans."
>>DoodleDawg wrote: "LOL! Racial hatred in the South existed long before the rebellion and grew worse after the rebellion was over."
Show your sources.
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>>DoodleDawg wrote: "And before you get all huffy about it, I will also freely admit that racial tolerance in the north was not a whole lot better than that in the south. Again, before the rebellion and after."
There was no rebellion; and racial intolerance was far was worse in the North before the secession. The Lincoln gang promoted racial hatred in the South both during the war, and afterward when Grant took over the gang leadership.
If you have sources that contradict what I wrote, please provide them.
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>>Kalamata wrote: "The bottom line is, the 19th-century “republicans” were the Clinton Mafia of those days, and Lincoln was their Mob Boss, followed by the just as greedy and corrupt, U. S. Grant. >>DoodleDawg wrote: "Yada yada yada, blah blah blah."
Blah, blah, blah. You have the empathy of a Carpetbagger.
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>>Kalamata wrote: "I can never get a straight answer out of you (nor can anyone else.) Which question are you referring to? >>DoodleDawg wrote: "Let's begin with what your issue with voluntary emigration for free blacks, a program that began before Lincoln was born and which was supported by prominent people north and south, really is? You seem to believe that Lincoln invented it and was its sole supporter."
You are lying, again. I never said Lincoln invented it. To the contrary, in another Lincoln thread, in post #92, I said the opposite:
"In fact, Lincoln was a white supremacist who was in favor of returning all blacks to Africa (as did Thomas Jefferson, and others)"
Now, quit lying, and show us your sources.
Mr. Kalamata
Five Union states did ratify it. Seward was promising New York would also ratify it. Presumably all the slave states would also ratify it, so that brings the total to 22 states that were pretty sure bets on ratification.
What did we need, 3/4ths?
Well out of 33 states, 25 states represent the 3/4ths mark, so only three additional states needed to vote for it to pass it.
And you think it had no hope of passage? With New York and Virginia supporting it, it's passage was virtually guaranteed.
More important than that is the actual 13th Amendment and Lincoln pushed for that far harder than his tepid support for Corwin's mistake.
So tepid that his own secretary of State was leading the effort in the Senate, and so timid that he not only called for it's passage in his first inaugural, he took the additional step of writing letters to the governors of every state to inform them of it's passage of the house and senate.
And that's just the stuff that's not in dispute. If you look into it, you discover he was promoting it behind the scenes in every manner he possibly could, because when it comes down to it, Lincoln's concern was about the money, not about the slaves.