So, your patron saint was a lying politician. Imagine that? What else was he lying about? The Emancipation Proclamation, perhaps? Freeing the slaves?
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>>DoodleDawg wrote: "More important than that is the actual 13th Amendment and Lincoln pushed for that far harder than his tepid support for Corwin's mistake.
I cannot find any sources that confirm your statement. Where are you sources?
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>>Kalamata wrote: "Admit it. Lincoln and the “republicans” didn’t give a hoot about slaves, except as political pawns."
>>DoodleDawg wrote: "I think it would depend on the Republican. Some had more concern than others. Lincoln's concern for slaves was far outweighed by his concern for the country as a whole, I will grant you that.
From what I have read, Lincoln could care less about the plight of blacks, free or slave. But if you have evidence that he truly cared about black people, then please present it.
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>>Kalamata wrote: "Yes, racial hatred in the South began in the North and by the “republicans."
>>DoodleDawg wrote: "LOL! Racial hatred in the South existed long before the rebellion and grew worse after the rebellion was over."
Show your sources.
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>>DoodleDawg wrote: "And before you get all huffy about it, I will also freely admit that racial tolerance in the north was not a whole lot better than that in the south. Again, before the rebellion and after."
There was no rebellion; and racial intolerance was far was worse in the North before the secession. The Lincoln gang promoted racial hatred in the South both during the war, and afterward when Grant took over the gang leadership.
If you have sources that contradict what I wrote, please provide them.
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>>Kalamata wrote: "The bottom line is, the 19th-century “republicans” were the Clinton Mafia of those days, and Lincoln was their Mob Boss, followed by the just as greedy and corrupt, U. S. Grant. >>DoodleDawg wrote: "Yada yada yada, blah blah blah."
Blah, blah, blah. You have the empathy of a Carpetbagger.
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>>Kalamata wrote: "I can never get a straight answer out of you (nor can anyone else.) Which question are you referring to? >>DoodleDawg wrote: "Let's begin with what your issue with voluntary emigration for free blacks, a program that began before Lincoln was born and which was supported by prominent people north and south, really is? You seem to believe that Lincoln invented it and was its sole supporter."
You are lying, again. I never said Lincoln invented it. To the contrary, in another Lincoln thread, in post #92, I said the opposite:
"In fact, Lincoln was a white supremacist who was in favor of returning all blacks to Africa (as did Thomas Jefferson, and others)"
Now, quit lying, and show us your sources.
Mr. Kalamata
LOL! Your characterization, not mine.
I cannot find any sources that confirm your statement. Where are you sources?
Maybe you might try reading up on the man you insist on trying to diminish? Any decent Lincoln biography covers it. David Herbert Donald's "Lincoln" on pages 553 and 554. Ronald C. White, Jr.'s "A. Lincoln" on pages 653 and 654. Doris Kearns Goodwin's "Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln" on pages 686 to 690.
From what I have read, Lincoln could care less about the plight of blacks, free or slave. But if you have evidence that he truly cared about black people, then please present it.
He worked to end slavery. That had some benefit to enslaved blacks. But perhaps if you would provide some indication of what constitutes "truly cared about black people" in your eyes then I might be able to come up with an answer for you.
Show your sources.
How about two examples? Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia adopted in 1851, Section 19: "Slaves hereafter emancipated shall forfeit their freedom by remaining in the commonwealth more than twelve months after they become actually free, and shall be reduced to slavery under such regulation as may be prescribed by law." Section 20 read, "The general assembly may impose such restrictions and conditions as they shall deem proper on the power of slave-owners to emancipate their slaves; and may pass laws for the relief of the commonwealth from the free negro population, by removal or otherwise." So constitutionally Virginia tried to rid itself of freed blacks.
In South Carolina, a law provided that any ship calling in any port in the state which had freed blacks among its crew was required to deliver those crew to the local authorities where they would be jailed for the duration of the port call, and the captain billed for their food and lodging. If the captain refused then the crewman would be sold into slavery. In 1832 Roger Taney, while Andrew Jackson's Attorney General, wrote a brief for the Supreme Court defending this law.
Add to that the fact that every Southern state had laws restricting the ability of blacks to get an education, work in some industries, move from state to state, or even be emancipated in the first place. All which predate the rebellion and are evidence of the Southern hatred and fear of blacks.
There was no rebellion...
Yes there was.
...and racial intolerance was far was worse in the North before the secession."
Your opinion is duly noted.
The Lincoln gang promoted racial hatred in the South both during the war, and afterward when Grant took over the gang leadership.
If you have sources that contradict what I wrote, please provide them.
I'm not sure what I could provide that would change your opinion, for that's all that is.
Blah, blah, blah. You have the empathy of a Carpetbagger.
Sometimes that's all your crap deserves.
"In fact, Lincoln was a white supremacist who was in favor of returning all blacks to Africa (as did Thomas Jefferson, and others)"
Wow. James Monroe was a white supremacist. Robert Lee was a white supremacist. James Madison was a white supremacist. John C. Breckenridge was a white supremacist. John Randolph and Bushrod Washington were white supremacists. Well at least Lincoln was in good company.
Now, quit lying, and show us your sources.
LOL! You are the last person to accuse others of lying.