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>>HandyDandy wrote: "[E]arlier you had stated that President Lincoln held onto his “colonization” idea till “his dying days” (your words). That is totally incorrect. Please learn more about that before you open your mouth about it again. By the time of “his dying days” (your words), Abe had given up on the idea."

No, I am correct; and since have opened your mouth, put your money where your mouth is.

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>>HandyDandy wrote: "You also mentioned that Abe was “executed”. Please correct that."

You are asking me to lie. No thanks. There were executioners lined up from Washington D.C. to Texas "dying" to rid the world of that terrorist.

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>>HandyDandy wrote: "In addition, getting back to Lincoln and Taney, are you familiar with who authored the following passage?:

"Whatever may be the force of the decision of the Supreme Court in binding the parties and settling their rights in the particular case before them, I am not prepared to admit that a construction given to the constitution by the Supreme Court in deciding any one or more cases fixes of itself irrevokably [sic] and permanently its construction in that particular and binds the states and the Legislative and executive branches of the General government, forever afterwards to conform to it and adopt it in every other case as the true reading of the instrument although all of them may unite in believing it erroneous.”

That sounds like something a true Constitutional scholar would say. It is certainly Jeffersonian, as well as anti-Marshallian.

Mr. Kalamata

Well, for starters, Lincoln didn’t reach a point in his life that an ordinary person would refer to as “his dying days”. His life was cut short by an assassins bullet. For example, Jefferson Davis did get to live until his “dying days”. In fact, he was able to live long enough to have been able to say the following in a speech at a Lost Cause Ceremony, “"United you are now, and if the Union is ever to be broken, let the other side break it." Furthermore, Lincoln had two colonization attempts to coal mines in South America. Neither got off the ground. There was a real attempt to colonize 500(?) blacks to Haiti. Another dismal disaster. Some immediately took off for parts unknown. The rest returned to America and Lincoln made them paid and uniformed soldiers in the Union. That was the end of Lincoln’s pursuing colonization. Of course you know, that earlier, Abe met with the leading Blacks of the day (including Fredrick Douglass) and put the idea of colonization directly on the table. He botched it and they were rightfully offended. There really isn’t much more to be said about Lincoln and Colonization although your ilk love to milk it.

***************** >>HandyDandy wrote: "You also mentioned that Abe was “executed”. Please correct that." You are asking me to lie. No thanks. There were executioners lined up from Washington D.C. to Texas "dying" to rid the world of that terrorist.

That is an interesting comment. See above. Abe was struck in the back of his head by the bullet of a crazed assassin. 99% of real Americans would tell you the President was “assassinated”. You are the first I’ve heard use the term, “executed”.

***************** >>HandyDandy wrote: "In addition, getting back to Lincoln and Taney, are you familiar with who authored the following passage?:

"Whatever may be the force of the decision of the Supreme Court in binding the parties and settling their rights in the particular case before them, I am not prepared to admit that a construction given to the constitution by the Supreme Court in deciding any one or more cases fixes of itself irrevokably [sic] and permanently its construction in that particular and binds the states and the Legislative and executive branches of the General government, forever afterwards to conform to it and adopt it in every other case as the true reading of the instrument although all of them may unite in believing it erroneous.” That sounds like something a true Constitutional scholar would say. It is certainly Jeffersonian, as well as anti-Marshallion.

Moving along, do you know who authored this?:

“ I do not forget the position assumed by some that constitutional questions are to be decided by the Supreme Court, nor do I deny that such decisions must be binding in any case upon the parties to a suit as to the object of that suit, while they are also entitled to very high respect and consideration in all parallel cases by all other departments of the Government. And while it is obviously possible that such decision may be erroneous in any given case, still the evil effect following it, being limited to that particular case, with the chance that it may be overruled and never become a precedent for other cases, can better be borne than could the evils of a different practice. At the same time, the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made in ordinary litigation between parties in personal actions the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal. Nor is there in this view any assault upon the court or the judges. It is a duty from which they may not shrink to decide cases properly brought before them, and it is no fault of theirs if others seek to turn their decisions to political purposes.”

HandyDandy to Kalamata: "you had stated that President Lincoln held onto his “colonization” idea till “his dying days” (your words).
That is totally incorrect."

Kalamata: "No, I am correct; and since have opened your mouth, put your money where your mouth is."

HandyDandy's problem here is: he doesn't understand that like any Democrat, but unlike every Republican, Kalamata can read Republican minds and tell us with 100% certainty (enough to impeach if not "execute") what was going on there.
So Kalamata **knows** what Lincoln was thinking "in his dying days" -- pretty amazing, isn't it?

The truth is that Lincoln's recolonization ideas were basically the same as many Founders, including Jefferson, Madison & Monroe, plus Henry Clay and Andrew Jackson.
All supported voluntary resettlement for freedmen who wanted to go.
None of their experiments proved entirely successful, though some failed more miserably than others.

At the time of Lincoln's death there were no plans for future recolonization projects and 94% of the funds Congress appropriated for recolonization were never spent.

"Lincoln actually had given up on colonization long before Congress repealed funds for the program.
Since the departure of the Vache Island colonists in April 1863, the president, while privately continuing to endorse efforts of independent agencies and foreign countries to recruit emigrants, had done nothing to promote colonization. [37]
Even his appointed agent of colonization had come to suspect the president's halting commitment.
In early 1863, Pomeroy, who recognized the Vache Island venture as a meager gesture, bitterly penned a letter to Lincoln, demanding to know whether he ever intended to honor his promise of colonizing blacks, fourteen thousand of whom had applied for emigration. [38]

In fact, there is no reason to believe that Lincoln ever espoused colonization after he issued the Final Emancipation Proclamation.
Scholars who argue that Lincoln still hoped to colonize blacks after the proclamation rely on only two flimsy pieces of evidence.
On July 1, 1864, the day before Congress voted to rescind its colonization appropriations, John Hay, Lincoln's personal secretary, recorded in his diary that "the President has sloughed off that idea of colonization." [39]
Benjamin F. Butler, a leading Union general, claimed that early in 1865 Lincoln told him of the black soldiers, "I believe that it would be better to export them all to some fertile country with a good climate, which they could have to themselves."
Yet Butler's account is at best dubious, and Hay's allows for the possibility that Lincoln had given up the idea before July 1864.[40]"

It seems that after the war a lot of people claimed to speak for Lincoln, with versions of Lincoln's words which are not recorded elsewhere.
In this case, excepting only Lincoln & Sherman themselves, there is hardly a more reviled Union figure than "Beast" Butler, and yet, and yet when it suits their purposes our Lost Causers will revive the tarred, feathered, flayed & burned-at-the-stake corpse of "the Beast" just long enough to utter a few words that support their own nonsense.

HandyDandy to Kalamata: "You also mentioned that Abe was “executed”.
Please correct that."

Kalamata: "You are asking me to lie.
No thanks.
There were executioners lined up from Washington D.C. to Texas "dying" to rid the world of that terrorist."

HandyDandy "That is an interesting comment. See above.
Abe was struck in the back of his head by the bullet of a crazed assassin. 99% of real Americans would tell you the President was “assassinated”.
You are the first I’ve heard use the term, “executed”. "

Kalamata: "From what I have read, he was sane.
However, there is no doubt the person he executed was a blood-thirsty psychopath, who burned, raped and pillaged his way to “victory,” violating every standard of warfare and common decency, while destroying the lives of perhaps a million people, or more."

For sure, John Wilkes Boothe was every bit as sane as Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, Nancy Pelosi and Mr. Olive himself -- all typical Democrats.

Yes, Kalamata's word "executed" can apply to "a gangland style execution", but even there the word implies some kind of process and a sentence, whereas "assassinated" means only murdered, always illegal.
So here Kalamata's "executed" implies a sentence, but if so, who exactly "sentenced" Lincoln?
Certainly neither Jefferson Davis nor any other Confederate leader ever confessed to it, so who?

Well, obviously, in Kalamata's miraculous mind he himself not only sentenced Lincoln, on his own authority, but also amazingly made his sentence retroactive so that Boothe was carrying out a sentence issued 150 years later!

Truly, it boggles the mind.