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To: jdsteel
My point is the UK didn’t exist.

Your point is wrong. This makes it a non point.

"Union of the Crowns." 1603.

"Acts of Union." 1707.

The flag you posted originated in 1801, after the American war of independence.

A silly point. They were still a Union in 1776 when we decided we wanted to be independent from them.

This is the flag they used prior to 1801.

Now tell me again how the Democrat slave owners attempting to leave the US are the same as our forefathers fighting for freedom.

I'm thinking that you need to explain how they are different. I've already covered many of the similarities in one of my previous posts to you.

Keep in mind that Washington and others were slave owners when they were British subjects.

And they remained slave owners when they became American citizens July 4, 1776.

Apparently the founders didn't consider slave owning to be relevant to their right to have independence.

542 posted on 01/10/2020 4:19:56 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“ A silly point. They were still a Union in 1776 when we decided we wanted to be independent from them.”

The word “union” was tossed about then, sure. The correct and most widely used term was “The British Empire”. Just like when people toss around the word “Democracy” to describe the USA when we are not.

Your opinion that the founding fathers did not care about slavery is discredited by the writings and arguments of that time period. It was a hotly debated subject that was left for future generations to settle...which we did.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-and-Slavery-1269536


556 posted on 01/11/2020 8:29:03 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: DiogenesLamp; jdsteel
jdsteel to DiogenesLamp: "My point is the UK didn’t exist."

DiogenesLamp: "Your point is wrong.
This makes it a non point.
"Union of the Crowns." 1603.
"Acts of Union." 1707. "

jdsteel is correct, the term "United Kingdom" was created in 1801.
Before 1801 other terms were used, especially from 1707 on:

So, the British Empire was known as Great Britain at least 100 years before it became the United Kingdom in 1801.

Further, there was nothing ever voluntary about "British union" -- kingdoms were forced into it and left only by rebellion.
It was, in short, a typical empire as that term is understood from time immemorial.

By stark contrast, the American Union -- which George Washington himself called "our empire" -- was of a very different nature, more analogous to the original ancient Greek Delian League:


1,035 posted on 01/26/2020 9:01:44 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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