Kalamata:
"It appears I joined a little before you, Joey." I didn't say when I joined, but I promise you that unless you were in the military when President Truman desegregated it in 1948, your memories of military life don't go back further than mine, Olive-boy.
I'll repeat: from the Civil War on the US military was always less racist than the hometowns of most enlistees.
Kalamata: "I don’t recall anyone criticizing Lincoln while I served.
I didn’t learn the truth about him until this century."
So, it turns out you don't claim that many serving marines were fellow Lincoln-loathers, just some after they retired?
And you also claim that having never learned to loathe Lincoln as a child, a man late-in-life can suddenly become insanely obsessed with him?
I don't believe it.
Kalamata: "It appears Joey is confusing our western heritage, created by Christians, with Lincoln, who tried to destroy it"
Nonsense, Lincoln like Washington is part of our heritage.
He tried to destroy nothing except slavery.
Kalamata: "It was the power of Christianity, and the belief in the doctrine of limited government, that helped us partially crawl out the crony-capitalist hell that Lincoln pushed us into (do you recall the warning of Eisenhower?) "
Eisenhower reduced US military spending from about 15% of GDP in 1952 to 10% in 1960.
In 1961 he warned about a "military-industrial complex", not "crony capitalism".
After Eisenhower military spending fell from 10% to ~5% in 1980, Reagan increased it to ~7% by 1984.
After Reagan the military fell to 3% under Clinton, rose to 5% for the War on Terror and then back to 3% under Obama.
President Trump has increased the military back to ~4%, just over half of Reagan's but nearly 1/3 more than Clinton & Obama.
At the same time that military spending was cut in half, then in half again, domestic social spending such as Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" exploded.
Bottom line: while President Eisenhower in 1961 did warn of a "military-industrial complex", he had already reduced it by 1/3 and future administrations would further reduce it by 1/2 and then 1/2 yet again, until defense was barely 3% of GDP.
And no president has talked about "crony capitalism" except in context as defined by law of illegal activities such as bribes & kickbacks.
Indeed, one reason Republicans got elected in 1860 was their promise to end 60 years of previous Democrat government corruption and misspending.
So your claims that "crony capitalism" was somehow invented by Lincoln and that Trump will somehow strike a blow against it are... well, bizarre.
Kalamata: "I served honorably, Joey (and I used every dollar of my G. I. Bill, and then some.)"
Me too.
Kalamata: "Have you ever noticed that Joey’s arguments are riddled with sanctimony?"
Have you ever noticed that Olive-boy's arguments are full of personal insults, mockery & belittlements?
In fact, that's about all he's really got. ![]()
>>Kalamata wrote: “It appears I joined a little before you, Joey.”
>>Joey wrote: “I didn’t say when I joined, but I promise you that unless you were in the military when President Truman desegregated it in 1948, your memories of military life don’t go back further than mine, Olive-boy.
That puts you at least in your 80’s Joey; perhaps the 90’s. Hang in there, Geezer.
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>>Joey wrote: “I’ll repeat: from the Civil War on the US military was always less racist than the hometowns of most enlistees.”
I would like to see your data.
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>>Kalamata wrote: “I don’t recall anyone criticizing Lincoln while I served. I didn’t learn the truth about him until this century.”
>>Joey wrote: “So, it turns out you don’t claim that many serving marines were fellow Lincoln-loathers, just some after they retired?”
When did you quit beating your wife?
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>>Joey wrote: “And you also claim that having never learned to loathe Lincoln as a child, a man late-in-life can suddenly become insanely obsessed with him? I don’t believe it.”
I realize this is a hard concept for you, Joey, but some people do not run away from the truth when confronted with it.
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>>Kalamata wrote: “It appears Joey is confusing our western heritage, created by Christians, with Lincoln, who tried to destroy it”
>>Joey wrote: “Nonsense, Lincoln like Washington is part of our heritage. He tried to destroy nothing except slavery.”
He didn’t give a rat’s behind about slavery.
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>>Kalamata wrote: “It was the power of Christianity, and the belief in the doctrine of limited government, that helped us partially crawl out the crony-capitalist hell that Lincoln pushed us into (do you recall the warning of Eisenhower?) “
>>Joey wrote: “In 1961 he warned about a “military-industrial complex”, not “crony capitalism”.”
LOL! Someone needs to get Joey up-to-speed on the definition of crony capitalism. He won’t listen to me — not since I mocked his religion of evolutionism.
Joey, many cronies will kill if someone stands between them and the source of their political pork. Trump, appropriately, labels them gangsters.
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>>Joey wrote: “After Eisenhower military spending fell from 10% to ~5% in 1980, Reagan increased it to ~7% by 1984. After Reagan the military fell to 3% under Clinton, rose to 5% for the War on Terror and then back to 3% under Obama. President Trump has increased the military back to ~4%, just over half of Reagan’s but nearly 1/3 more than Clinton & Obama. At the same time that military spending was cut in half, then in half again, domestic social spending such as Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society” exploded. Bottom line: while President Eisenhower in 1961 did warn of a “military-industrial complex”, he had already reduced it by 1/3 and future administrations would further reduce it by 1/2 and then 1/2 yet again, until defense was barely 3% of GDP. And no president has talked about “crony capitalism” except in context as defined by law of illegal activities such as bribes & kickbacks. Indeed, one reason Republicans got elected in 1860 was their promise to end 60 years of previous Democrat government corruption and misspending. So your claims that “crony capitalism” was somehow invented by Lincoln and that Trump will somehow strike a blow against it are... well, bizarre.”
More irrelevant statistics. My point is, cronyism was reasonably in check by threats of nullification and secession, until Lincoln’s war against the states destroyed state sovereignty. Just sayin’ . . .
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>>Kalamata wrote: “I served honorably, Joey (and I used every dollar of my G. I. Bill, and then some.)”
>>Joey wrote: “Me too.”
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>>Kalamata wrote: “Have you ever noticed that Joey’s arguments are riddled with sanctimony?”
Have you ever noticed that Olive-boy’s arguments are full of personal insults, mockery & belittlements? In fact, that’s about all he’s really got.”
Child.
Mr. Kalamata