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To: eartick

The main cause of the war was rebels firing on a United States fort. The main reason there was a rebellion was because of slavery.

Here’s a breakdown of the context of Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas’s ordinances of secession. Keep in mind that when the phrase states rights is used it’s almost exclusively to the right to travel freely with slaves, expansion of slavery into the western territories, holding slaves, etc.

Georgia: 56% Slavery; 23% Economic issues; 15% Context; 4% States’ Rights; 2% Lincoln’s Election

Mississippi: 73% Slavery; 20% Context; 3% States’ Rights; 4% Contest

South Carolina: 37% States’ Rights 41% Context; 20% Slavery; 2% Lincoln’s election

Texas; 54% Slavery; 21% States’ Rights; 15% Context; 6% Military Protection; 4% Lincoln’s Election

You can look at the documents yourself and verify what I have posted.


468 posted on 01/09/2020 4:08:57 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran
You can look at the documents yourself and verify what I have posted.

I think you need to remember one thing, the victor rights the history books.

You can go on believing that is had all to do with freeing the black man by republicans but you would be gravely mistaken.

469 posted on 01/09/2020 4:12:18 AM PST by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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To: OIFVeteran
The main cause of the war was rebels firing on a United States fort.

This is incorrect. The Confederates (they weren't rebels. Lincoln was the rebel.) had no intentions of firing on Ft. Sumter until Lincoln made it into a necessity.

When the Powhatan, the Pocahontas, The Pawnee, The Harriet Lane, the Yankee, the Uncle Ben, the Thomas Freeborn and the Baltic all remained up in their harbors in the north, there was no need to attack the fort.

When Lincoln ordered them all to proceed to Charleston and there *ATTACK* everyone surrounding the fort if they did not cooperate, this caused the need to fire on the fort. Even then, General Beauregard had sent a message to Major Anderson telling him that if Anderson would give assurance that the fort would not attack them when those ships arrived, he would refrain from firing on the fort. Anderson refused.

So you see, it was the sending of warships that caused the war. Without that single act by Abraham Lincoln, there would have been no war. Therefore it is on Lincoln's head, and his alone, that the nation descended into a bloody civil war.

The main reason there was a rebellion was because of slavery.

Slavery for "four score and seven years", and Lincoln and the Republican congress voting to pass the Corwin amendment (extending slavery indefinitely) and you think the war was fought over the normal status quo for that era?

The main reason for secession is because a majority of people in disaffected states had decided that the Special Interest Crony Capitalists corruptocrats running Washington DC for the benefit of the powerful men of New York, no longer served their interests, and so they voted to "dissolve the political bonds" much as the founders did "four score and seven years" previously.

486 posted on 01/09/2020 11:57:19 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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