Kalamata:
"Joey doesn't understand science, but he can fool the non-scientist with his slick, Lincoln-like rhetoric." I will take the comparison to Lincoln as a compliment, even though completely undeserved.
Kalamata: "Ideologues, like those in the Evolutionism Orthodoxy that have hijacked science education, reject anything that doesn't fit their ideology.
For example, this is the Evolutionary Biologist and devout Marxist, Richard Lewontin of Harvard University:"
I don't know of Lewontin, never heard the name before so far as I can remember, but I'd say here he's just trying to be provocative, and for what purpose?
Kalamata: "That is anti-science.
Scientists do not take sides; pseudo-scientists do.
Scientists simply follow the data."
What the Lewontin quote says is somewhat similar to what I say, but in different words, namely, that natural-science is limited by definition to natural explanations of natural processes.
Everything else, i.e., theology, is by definition "not science".
So here Lewontin complains about the apparent limits of natural-science and seemingly, wouldn't it be easier and more fun just to claim some supernatural process is at work?
Answer: maybe, conceivably, but by definition that's not science, no matter how insane it makes people like Kalamata.
Indeed, it drives Kalamata so insane he loudly declares by writ of his own unique authority that natural science is bunk and only his own "Biblical science" is really true.
Anyway, I can't tell what Lewontin's problem is, and more important, I care less, but the fact remains that by definition natural science is still limited to natural explanations no matter how much Lewontin or Kalamata may cry about that. ![]()
>>Kalamata wrote: "Joey doesn't understand science, but he can fool the non-scientist with his slick, Lincoln-like rhetoric."
>>Joey wrote: "I will take the comparison to Lincoln as a compliment, even though completely undeserved."
No, it is well-deserved, Joey.
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>>Kalamata wrote: "Ideologues, like those in the Evolutionism Orthodoxy that have hijacked science education, reject anything that doesn't fit their ideology. For example, this is the Evolutionary Biologist and devout Marxist, Richard Lewontin of Harvard University:"
>>Joey wrote: "I don't know of Lewontin, never heard the name before so far as I can remember, but I'd say here he's just trying to be provocative, and for what purpose?"
He is a world-famous evolutionary scientist, Joey, so I am not surprised you have never heard of him. These are some of the books he either authored or co-authored:
Richard Lewontin books at Amazon
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>>Kalamata wrote: "That is anti-science. Scientists do not take sides; pseudo-scientists do. Scientists simply follow the data."
>>Joey wrote: "What the Lewontin quote says is somewhat similar to what I say, but in different words, namely, that natural-science is limited by definition to natural explanations of natural processes. Everything else, i.e., theology, is by definition "not science"."
Einstein's heroes – the devout Christians named Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday, and James Clerk Maxwell – would disagree with you, Joey. Of course, what would they know, other than being three of the greatest scientists that ever lived.
Power-hungry "scientists" -- the orthodoxy -- tend to confine the study of science inside a neat little box of their own design, and demand others study only inside that little box. Commenting on that fact, a Chinese scientist was heard saying [quoting:] "In China, you can criticize Darwin, but not the government; but in America you can criticize the government, but not Darwin."
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>>Joey wrote: "So here Lewontin complains about the apparent limits of natural-science and seemingly, wouldn't it be easier and more fun just to claim some supernatural process is at work?"
No, Joey. What he is saying is, "I am an atheist, Marxist scumbag, and I refuse to believe this unimaginably vast universe, containing mind-bogglingly complex life, was created by a supernatural being." That is all he is saying.
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>>Joey wrote: "Answer: maybe, conceivably, but by definition that's not science, no matter how insane it makes people like Kalamata. Indeed, it drives Kalamata so insane he loudly declares by writ of his own unique authority that natural science is bunk and only his own "Biblical science" is really true."
I was an evolutionist and and old-earther until I was in my 60's, Joey, about 8 years ago; so your silly aspersions ring hollow.
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>>Joey wrote: "Anyway, I can't tell what Lewontin's problem is, and more important, I care less, but the fact remains that by definition natural science is still limited to natural explanations no matter how much Lewontin or Kalamata may cry about that."
Lewontin has the same problem you do, Joey: he worships at the altar of Charlie Darwin. He believes his ancestors squatted in a tree.
Mr. Kalamata