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To: BroJoeK; Who is John Galt?; Kalamata; DoodleDawg; rockrr
“The truth of history is that what began as a war to . . . became . . . a war to destroy slavery . . . by Constitutional amendment s.”

I struck some of your filler words to get at the heart of the matter. For the purpose of this post, let's stipulate that you are correct: at some point Lincoln began to use war to violently overthrow slavery provisions of the United States Constitution.

We know before the war Lincoln did not have the necessary votes in Congress to peacefully pass a constitutional amendment ending slavery but after all the war killings, redefining states as military districts, and disbarments of voters, he did.

This is a problem for anyone who claims to support the original intent of our founders. The founders included in the constitution a peaceful amendment process, but not a provision to use the military to violently overthrow the constitution.

By any definition, consent obtained by the use of violence is not consent.

Still, many people contend the one million page Federal Register (or is it two million pages now?) authorized by the Lincoln constitution is better than anything based on “consent of the governed.”

295 posted on 01/02/2020 3:44:09 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem
jeffersondem: "For the purpose of this post, let's stipulate that you are correct: at some point Lincoln began to use war to violently overthrow slavery provisions of the United States Constitution."

No, I'd rather stipulate that jeffersondem lies constantly and refuses to tell the truth under any circumstances.
But I can tell it, and here it is:

Lincoln never abolished slavery in states that remained loyal to the Union.
States in rebellion were subject to the Emancipation Proclamation during the war and afterwards all states came under the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments.

jeffersondem: "We know before the war Lincoln did not have the necessary votes in Congress to peacefully pass a constitutional amendment ending slavery but after all the war killings, redefining states as military districts, and disbarments of voters, he did."

No, after Confederates declared themselves no longer US voters, non-Confederates in those states voted ratification of the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments.

jeffersondem: "This is a problem for anyone who claims to support the original intent of our founders.
The founders included in the constitution a peaceful amendment process, but not a provision to use the military to violently overthrow the constitution."

No, the original intent of our Founders was that any war against the United States, rebellion (Whiskey), treason (Burr) or unauthorized secession (Burr, Hartford Convention) should be defeated & punished.
But those slave-states which refused to secede did not see their slavery abolished until that peaceful amendment process was completed.

314 posted on 01/03/2020 6:52:31 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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