rockrr to Kalamata:
"It must suck to hate this nation the way you do.
Why don't you go find some shithole more to your liking?" You might have noticed that Kalamata is a newcomer here, and with all due respect, a formidable poster.
He comes to us fully equipped with a huge inventory of relevant quotes, an arsenal of logical tricks, a defensive shield of barbs & insults, and utter disregard for facts or reasons which might falsify his own unique outlook.
Undoubtedly, Kalamata is thoroughly anti-American, but in the sense of, for examples, a Ken Ham (Ark Encounter) or Michael Behe (Darwin's Black Box) -- these people have declared & waged intellectual war not just on the USA, but on the very idea of reality itself as we perceive it, scientifically.
Perhaps with some justification they feel assaulted by blatant scientific atheists like Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion), and strike back with their own equally aggressive anti-science ideology/theology.
Ultimately, of course, it's pure nonsense and nobody I've posted against here is more deeply immersed & steeped in it than Kalamata, nobody more tireless or ruthless in defending it.
If you wish to grasp the precise moment in history where Kalamata's & our views part company, it might be here: in historical reality our Christian Founders were leaders in and exemplars of the Enlightenment Age, they chiefly define what the term "Enlightenment" means.
But in Kalamata's world-view our Christian Founders were victims of and opposed to the atheistic European Enlightenment, while their success in framing our nation came despite, not because of, their Enlightenment ideals.
So Kalamata is not just pro-Confederate and anti-American, he's also anti-reality as we understand it.
My own views on science, so far as I can tell, are identical with those of traditional main-line Protestant and Roman Catholic teaching, namely, in sum, that science can theorize whatever it wants, but God created and rules everything. ![]()
>>BroJoeK wrote: "You might have noticed that Kalamata is a newcomer here, and with all due respect, a formidable poster. He comes to us fully equipped with a huge inventory of relevant quotes, an arsenal of logical tricks, a defensive shield of barbs & insults, and utter disregard for facts or reasons which might falsify his own unique outlook."
Joey pretends to be an expert on most everything, but is clueless about the facts on, well, most everything. In general, he follows the lead of the Marxists who have wrested control of our education system, scientific establishment, historical record, and government . . . almost forgot, and Press.
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>>BroJoeK wrote: "Undoubtedly, Kalamata is thoroughly anti-American, but in the sense of, for examples, a Ken Ham (Ark Encounter) or Michael Behe (Darwin's Black Box) -- these people have declared & waged intellectual war not just on the USA, but on the very idea of reality itself as we perceive it, scientifically."
See what I mean? You may not be aware of this, but Joey's heroes are anti-Christian, anti-capitalist atheists, like the climate-change pushing Michael Shermer, who teaches our children this kind of trash:
Michael Shermer: God does NOT exist
If Joey had a clue about the scientific method, he would realize Michael Behe is one of the most brilliant scientists who ever lived (humble, too!) Joey has bought into the ape-to-man just-so stories of the atheists, like Charlie Darwin. You have to be dumber than a box of rocks (scientifically-speaking) to believe in evolution these days, after more than a century of feverish searching and digging by scientists has revealed no evidence for it.
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>>BroJoeK wrote: "Perhaps with some justification they feel assaulted by blatant scientific atheists like Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion), and strike back with their own equally aggressive anti-science ideology/theology."
Can you believe that? Joey's hero is another "scientific" atheist named Michael Shermer. LOL! You fellows are too much!
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>>BroJoeK wrote: "Ultimately, of course, it's pure nonsense and nobody I've posted against here is more deeply immersed & steeped in it than Kalamata, nobody more tireless or ruthless in defending it."
Yes, I love the Christian heritage of our nation, and the Christian heritage of modern science. Joey name-drops Christianity from time-to-time, like a slick politician, but that is about as Christian as he gets.
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>>BroJoeK wrote: "If you wish to grasp the precise moment in history where Kalamata's & our views part company, it might be here: in historical reality our Christian Founders were leaders in and exemplars of the Enlightenment Age, they chiefly define what the term "Enlightenment" means. But in Kalamata's world-view our Christian Founders were victims of and opposed to the atheistic European Enlightenment, while their success in framing our nation came despite, not because of, their Enlightenment ideals."
Our Founding Fathers created this great nation in spite of many of the so-called "Enlightenment" figures, because they ignored the loony push for "reason" (which can mean anything,) and, rather, bound our Constitution to our Christian heritage and the Ten Commandments.
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>>BroJoeK wrote: "So Kalamata is not just pro-Confederate and anti-American, he's also anti-reality as we understand it."
I am pro-science, pro-history, pro-American, pro-Christian, and, most of all, PRO-TRUTH. Joey wouldn't know the truth if it whopped him upside the head.
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>>BroJoeK wrote: "My own views on science, so far as I can tell, are identical with those of traditional main-line Protestant and Roman Catholic teaching, namely, in sum, that science can theorize whatever it wants, but God created and rules everything."
Joey is pro-establishment -- in science, in history, in religion, and in government. Ask Galileo how that establishment science, religion and government worked out.
Mr. Kalamata