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To: jeffersondem; Bull Snipe; OIFVeteran; rockrr
jeffersondem: "For the purpose of this post, let's stipulate that the purpose of Lincoln's war was, indeed, to free the slaves.
That's a problem for anyone that claims to support the original United States Constitution."

Which is why Union defenders like Bull Snipe, OIFVeteran & others are happy to agree with Lincoln's August 1862 words to Horace Greeley saying,

That seems pretty clear, and people who focus on these words usually ignore Lincoln's last sentence: The fact is that by August 1862 many Unionists, including Lincoln himself, saw Civil War to restore the Union as also an opportunity to abolish slavery lawfully (via Proclamation) and Constitutionally (13th, 14th & 15th amendments).

I think I "get" where this can drive our pro-Confederates like jeffersondem to craziness, but still, it is what it is.

258 posted on 12/31/2019 9:56:34 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK

“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery...”

If this is true - and there are statements by Lincoln and others that raise doubts - then we can forever dismiss the notion that Lincoln and the North fought the war to “free the slaves.”


271 posted on 12/31/2019 5:57:43 PM PST by jeffersondem
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