Posted on 12/18/2019 6:26:53 PM PST by Hostage
Trying to get people to stop saying Johnson, Clinton, Trump were all impeached, is not something that will stick because most people aren't going to bother with definitions.
But impeachment means removal upon conviction.
Whereas voting to impeach is a form of indictment.
It is correct to say no American President has ever been impeached.
It's not splitting hairs, it's just showing respect and awareness of terms.
Trump as of today must answer to a vote of impeachment, a partisan, unjust, false vote of impeachment by criminal opponents who are using offensive lies in a process available to them to shield themselves from justice.
I am certain these agents of subversion have cemented in place the process of impeaching themselves. But first they will threaten via blackmail at least 20 GOP Senators to impeach the President. And when they lose, they will blame the GOP Senate for allowing Trump to rig the 2020 election thereby putting in peril their brand of 'democracy'.
(Excerpt) Read more at freerepublic.com ...
The impeachment ‘process’ started today.
What happened today was not an ‘impeachment’, it was a ‘vote for impeachment’.
Lawyer speak. You are free to ignore it as most will and you can regal with the ‘mostest’ thinking that hanging with the ‘mostest’ makes all your fellow mosters in the right. This is why our United States was not designed as a pure democracy, because such designs always fail and become ruled by tyrants.
One can see your mind wanders where it will.
Impeach is an old word. I might impeach your education since you are ignorant of its definition. I might impeach your character since you are misleading people on free republic. I could impeach your morals since you’ve got a shifty look about you. I might impeach your mental state or your financial integrity, since you only care about money, liquor and women. But I would never do that you understand since I believe you to be a patriot and scholar and one of unimpeachable integrity.
All that aside thanks for posting. I look for the president himself to set the leadership tone and I will follow his tactical decision whatever it may be.
Well that last part, burning it down etc, armed in the streets and all could very well be the crazed Cloward Piven Statist endpoint they have been seeking, pushing all the buttons they can to exacerbate a situation-— the chaos generated working to the advantage of the existing Leftist Intel State pulling the strings of the Federal Police powers to exercise law and order (Leftist law and order over Patriots). So the run of the mill television mentality people would glom toward.... “safety”. The same ones who dont support the 2nd Amendment as a Right, for just that reason.
In the Bolshevik revolution for example, there was an anti-Bolshevik uprising briefly mounted by the Socialist Revolutionary Party which was split Leftist and Rightists. The left SRs attempted a “Third Russian Revolution” against the Bolsheviks but it failed and led to the arrest, imprisonment, exile and execution of party leaders and members. Not much later this blossomed in the countryside into the Russian Civil War, which was almost won by the Tsarist White Russians, except for the treachery of the world government foreign interlopers. Like Pres. Wilson, and freaking Lloyd George.
As posted early in the thread, their impeachment attempt is a delay tactic.
For example, if RBG were to become comatose, sending articles to the Senate would auto-stop any Trump nomination for RBG’s seat.
There are Dem Senators eying an 8-month Senate trial all the way to election.
There is no basis for impeachment. But there are bad faith parliamentary tricks and maneuvers available for coup plotters.
You are right, burning it down is a hysterical expression and counterproductive. I take it back.
I know by overhearing that members of the left are also planning to somehow remove Pence paving a legal ascendancy for Pelosi to be sworn in as President and Commander-in-Chief.
Once they’ve grabbed a legal basis for taking the White House no matter the means, they will write history whichever way they will. They will write they impeached a dictator and rounded up his fascist followers in order to save their democracy.
Yeah, they’re crazy alright.
Thank you I think.
Frequent topic on twitter....that Pence is next.
That’s why, unfortunately, I think CW2, er I mean housecleaning, is the only way to save our country.
Thank you for adding material about Bills of Attainder. Many if not most are not aware of the meaning and effect of such things.
Indeed, Pelosi’s articles appear as Bills of Attainder.
He WAS impeached. He will not be convicted by the Senate.
And then there is the fact that the entire proceedings in the House are video recorded and are in the possession right now of the US Senate. McConnell can convene the Senate trial, tomorrow, and declare it by majority vote acquitted. Case closed.
That would freak out the libs to hair tearing, and the Lawfare a@@clowns that Sundance (Treehouse) has posted on tonight— the delay in the “delivery” of the voted Articles, being ignored in our modern technology world, the same way the House insane libs have circumvented all proper decorum. The Senate would be acting as Constitutionally directed, and quickly. No proceedings, since there is no “result” besides the known voting the two “Articles” which are fraudulent. Done in one.
“The House of Representatives...shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”
(ARTICLE I, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 5)
“The word “impeachment” is popularly used to indicate both the bringing of charges in the House and the Senate vote on removal from office. In the Constitution, however, the term refers only to the former.”
https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/100/standards-for-impeachment
PRESIDENT NIXON resigned from office. He was not impeached.
Article II, Section 4:
“...Impeachment for, and Conviction of...”
That’s a lot clearer than 2A. What’s your source? We’re not in England anymore. American impeachment is not penal, it’s remedial...a purely political process in the current example.
Trump’s impeachment means nothing except an assured reelection...unless there are 5 republican turncoats in the Senate.
Disagree. The context of the Constitution refers to Congress’s power with the House as the sole body that can initiate the process and the Senate as the sole body that ends the process of impeachment.
No other body can initiate other than the House, no other body can decide its outcome other than the Senate.
If there is no Senate on the end of it, then impeachment is meaningless making it as important as flea dust on a carpet: it’s nothing.
Pelosi can start impeachment on anything her caucus wants. She can start to impeach the building’s janitor. She can start to impeach her shadow. But if she is going to start an impeachment of the President, she has to include the Senate. If she doesn’t include the Senate, then it’s not an impeachment, it’s a farce which most know is what it truly is in this case.
I guess so??? PDJT was impeached (it being BS, hyper-partisan, etc., etc. doesn’t really matter in the end, it happened)...whether it makes it over to the Senate for the trial is now in question I guess from what I am reading tonight. As far as being impeached is “meaningless” goes, I wouldn’t go that far as it has only happened 3 times to a president (Hamilton/Clinton/Trump) and once to a federal judge. Rarity alone adds a certain significance to it. In any case, hopefully this goes down in the history books as the worst case of partisan/attack politics in history, and we celebrate a 2020 win for PDJT. Who hopefully works on a balanced/surplus budget in “term 2”. YMMV.
Impeachment is semantically distinct from removal from office.
Three Presidents have been impeached, as a mater of law and normative semantics.
None have been removed from office.
You can disagree all you want. The constitution says otherwise. It clearly states the House of Representatives has the SOLE power of impeachment, not "The President isn't impeached unless the Senate also agrees with it"
Hamilton wasn't a President. The first President to be impeached was Andrew Johnson. Over a DOZEN federal judges have been impeached, and most of them were removed. The most recent was Thomas Porteous in 2010.
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