Heck, he finished it, I’ll ping it right now. Great Cates thread on Gen. Flynn. I said earlier that Cates never mentions Q, but I would not be surprised if he reads Q. His analysis of the Gen. Flynn situation corresponds with what Q has said.
If anyone wants on/off this twitterland ping list, freepmail me. I have a long batch to post later in addition to this unrolled thread.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1206984414980431873.html
This will not be an easy thread to do.
Because a lot of people are not going to like what I have say.
They don’t believe Flynn volunteered for this.
But that’s always been my position, and I’ll explain why.
But first, something about the nature of intelligence work.
To successfully pull off a sting operation you have lie to your own family, if necessary.
You can’t even pass screening for intel work if you cannot agree you have the capability to hide what you are really doing from your family and close friends.
I’ve stressed in my writing on the Flynn case that as an intelligence professional with 30 years experience at the top of the intelligence world, there was no way Flynn did not know his phone calls with Kislyak were being intercepted, recorded and transcribed.
Now it’s time to stress something else:
there no way Flynn did not discern Strzok & Pientka’s true purpose in coming to interview him at the White House on Jan. 24th, 2017.
A call from ANDREW MCCABE put him completely at ease, you say?
Absolute bulls***.
Nobody knew better than Gen Flynn the absolute weasels that were running the FBI under Obama.
He knew all about the spying going on and had openly declared under the new Trump administration he was going to clean house.
So spare me the “he was caught off guard” bulls***.
The **cover story** is that after a friendly chat with McCabe on the phone about sending a few agents over for another friendly chat, Flynn decides to sit down without a lawyer present and leaves himself totally open and defenseless.
I’m sure that’s how it looked.
The notes from the interview quickly make it clear this was not a friendly chat.
Despite McCabe having told Flynn the FBI had just ‘cleared’ him of any wrongdoing on the Kislyak phone calls based on a review of the **intercepts of the phone calls**, the agents keep asking...
and pressing Flynn on any discussion he had with Kislyak about lifting the new sanctions Obama had just imposed on Russia.
The cover story is...Flynn is a moron at this moment.
After hearing the questions they want him to answer, he’d know this is not just a friendly interview wrapping up a few loose ends like McCabe told him.
They’re here to find something they can use against him.
Now pay attention here, this part is important:
IF Flynn knew these agents were coming to meet with him with bad intentions, if he knew you never sit down with these kind of people without a lawyer present or at least RECORDING your conversation with them, then his 30 years of intelligence work failed him.
But let’s go with the story that Flynn absolutely believed McCabe, he was put completely at ease, and he ends up getting hit with a process perjury charge based on his interview with Strzok & Pientka, not on his supposed treasonous calls with Kislyak.
The framing of Flynn is only a CHAPTER in a massive plot. It’s only one of the acts in a five act play.
Look at the players involved in the Flynn frame & the players involved in the coup to overthrow the government.
IT’S THE SAME PEOPLE.
Who was involved in framing Flynn?
1) James Comey
2) Andrew McCabe
3) Peter Strzok
4) Joseph Pientka
5) Lisa Page
These are the people who initiated the frame & then did the handoff to the Mueller Special Counsel’s office.
Who was involved in a coup attempt to overthrow the duly elected administration of Donald J. Trump?
Would you be SURPRISED to learn its:
1) James Comey
2) Andrew McCabe
3) Peter Strzok
4) Joseph Pientka
5) Lisa Page ?
I know people ***want*** Barr & Durham to surgically excise all the exculpatory evidence Flynn needs to have his case tossed from all the overall SpyGate evidence to convict these goons of all the OTHER STUFF they did besides framing Flynn...
but it’s NOT going to happen.
But the fact is, this group of people involved in framing Flynn were involved in a whole lot of other criminal activity that went far beyond faking a perjury case. WAY beyond it.
The Flynn frame is PART of the SpyGate scandal but it’s not all of it.
But the fact is, there are ongoing criminal investigations into each one of these people where the Flynn framing plays a part, but there is FAR MORE in play here than that.
Durham is investigating the SpyGate plot, which means he has a lot more on his plate than just proving these FBI people handed off a bogus case based on altered 302 forms to the Mueller Special Counsel.
He’s investigating OCONUS LURES sent to Carter Page & Papadopoulos.
He’s investigating the use of foreign intelligence services being used to circumvent US law to spy on US citizens for political purposes.
The Flynn case is only a part of a wider whole.
Durham is not finished. Barr says he’ll be done sometime in the late spring/early summer.
So here’s what people are not going to want to hear:
They can’t roll out the Flynn exculpatory evidence at this time because the investigations are not over.
It’s the same reason they are keeping Pientka out of sight, out of mind.
They won’t produce him until they are done.
Does that suck?
Yes it does.
Is that what Flynn supporters want to hear right now?
No, its not.
These things take time.
I myself don’t like waiting.
But here we are again...waiting.
Barr is letting Durham do his work, and he’s going to do it right and if it takes him six months, well screaming at them both to hurry up won’t change anything.
And here’s something else Flynn supporters need to realize, as hard as it is for some to take:
The SpyGate plotters were involved in WAY MORE SERIOUS CRIMES than faking a perjury charge against Flynn.
Framing Flynn is only **part** of what they must answer for.
There is a big picture here, and zooming in to where you only focus on the bogus perjury charge against Flynn means you can’t see how these same criminals were involved in so much more than that.
But they were.
So as we wait for Durham to finish his multiple criminal investigations into SpyGate, let’s remember the same people who framed Flynn are also players in a much wider scandal where they committed many, many other crimes.
Barr & Durham want to prove how these plotters victimized not just Gen Flynn but a MULTITUDE of other people as well.
And to do that, they have to hold their evidence back until they finish.
As I said, not a popular view.
Definitely not what many want to hear at this time.
But if the Flynn exculpatory evidence that was being demanded is inextricably tied to broader cases still being investigated & made against Comey, McCabe and all the other plotters, if there is no way to excise the evidence without compromising the ongoing investigations...
...then we’re just going to have to live with it for the time being.
And remember this: Trump is a billionaire. He knows what Flynn did for this country. This story has a happy ending, one way or the other.
/end
Excellent thread. Thanks!
One thing that seemed odd to me is right at the end he says “And remember this: Trump is a billionaire. He knows what Flynn did for this country.”
Seems like a non sequitur. What does being a billionaire have to do with this? Is there some sort of message there? Is he trying to say that Trump will “make Flynn whole”? That would be nice, but it seems like Flynn would recoup everything and more when he starts suing the daylights out of all the evil plotters.
Interesting take. It would seem that things have to break wide open soon on action against the Deep State. What will happen to these investigations (if still active then) in the event Trump does not serve a second term? (I ask because battle plans require consideration of all outcomes.)
Under a Democrat they will simply disappear, right?
https://www.lawfareblog.com/fisa-court-order-response-inspector-general-report
FISA Court Order in Response to Inspector General Report
By Gordon Ahl Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 3:43 PM
In response to the Justice Department inspector general report on the Russia investigation, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has issued an order requiring the government to provide a sworn written statement by Jan. 10, 2020 on what the Justice Department has done and plans to do to ensure that statements of fact in each FISA application filing to the court are complete and accurate. The document is available here and below.
https://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/MIsc%2019%2002%20191217.pdf
Uh oh, Candor, you’re up!
“. Candor is fundamental to this Court’s effective operation .... “
I DON’T LIKE TO WASTE SPACE ON THE THREAD, BUT THIS LETTER IS FOR THE RECORD FOR GENERATIONS TO COME:
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Letter from President Donald J. Trump to the Speaker of the House of Representatives
LAW & JUSTICE
Issued on: December 17, 2019
The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
Speaker of the House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515
Dear Madam Speaker:
I write to express my strongest and most powerful protest against the partisan impeachment crusade being pursued by the Democrats in the House of Representatives. This impeachment represents an unprecedented and unconstitutional abuse of power by Democrat Lawmakers, unequaled in nearly two and a half centuries of American legislative history.
The Articles of Impeachment introduced by the House Judiciary Committee are not recognizable under any standard of Constitutional theory, interpretation, or jurisprudence. They include no crimes, no misdemeanors, and no offenses whatsoever. You have cheapened the importance of the very ugly word, impeachment!
By proceeding with your invalid impeachment, you are violating your oaths of office, you are breaking your allegiance to the Constitution, and you are declaring open war on American Democracy. You dare to invoke the Founding Fathers in pursuit of this election-nullification scheme—yet your spiteful actions display unfettered contempt for America’s founding and your egregious conduct threatens to destroy that which our Founders pledged their very lives to build. Even worse than offending the Founding Fathers, you are offending Americans of faith by continually saying “I pray for the President,” when you know this statement is not true, unless it is meant in a negative sense. It is a terrible thing you are doing, but you will have to live with it, not I!
Your first claim, “Abuse of Power,” is a completely disingenuous, meritless, and baseless invention of your imagination. You know that I had a totally innocent conversation with the President of Ukraine. I then had a second conversation that has been misquoted, mischaracterized, and fraudulently misrepresented. Fortunately, there was a transcript of the conversation taken, and you know from the transcript (which was immediately made available) that the paragraph in question was perfect. I said to President Zelensky: “I would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it.” I said do us a favor, not me, and our country, not a campaign. I then mentioned the Attorney General of the United States. Every time I talk with a foreign leader, I put America’s interests first, just as I did with President Zelensky.
You are turning a policy disagreement between two branches of government into an impeachable offense—it is no more legitimate than the Executive Branch charging members of Congress with crimes for the lawful exercise of legislative power.
You know full well that Vice President Biden used his office and $1 billion dollars of U.S. aid money to coerce Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was digging into the company paying his son millions of dollars. You know this because Biden bragged about it on video. Biden openly stated: “I said, ‘I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars’…I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.” Even Joe Biden admitted just days ago in an interview with NPR that it “looked bad.” Now you are trying to impeach me by falsely accusing me of doing what Joe Biden has admitted he actually did.
President Zelensky has repeatedly declared that I did nothing wrong, and that there was No Pressure. He further emphasized that it was a “good phone call,” that “I don’t feel pressure,” and explicitly stressed that “nobody pushed me.” The Ukrainian Foreign Minister stated very clearly: “I have never seen a direct link between investigations and security assistance.” He also said there was “No Pressure.” Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, a supporter of Ukraine who met privately with President Zelensky, has said: “At no time during this meeting…was there any mention by Zelensky or any Ukrainian that they were feeling pressure to do anything in return for the military aid.” Many meetings have been held between representatives of Ukraine and our country. Never once did Ukraine complain about pressure being applied—not once! Ambassador Sondland testified that I told him: “No quid pro quo. I want nothing. I want nothing. I want President Zelensky to do the right thing, do what he ran on.”
The second claim, so-called “Obstruction of Congress,” is preposterous and dangerous. House Democrats are trying to impeach the duly elected President of the United States for asserting Constitutionally based privileges that have been asserted on a bipartisan basis by administrations of both political parties throughout our Nation’s history. Under that standard, every American president would have been impeached many times over. As liberal law professor Jonathan Turley warned when addressing Congressional Democrats: “I can’t emphasize this enough…if you impeach a president, if you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power. It’s your abuse of power. You’re doing precisely what you’re criticizing the President for doing.”
Everyone, you included, knows what is really happening. Your chosen candidate lost the election in 2016, in an Electoral College landslide (306-227), and you and your party have never recovered from this defeat. You have developed a full-fledged case of what many in the media call Trump Derangement Syndrome and sadly, you will never get over it! You are unwilling and unable to accept the verdict issued at the ballot box during the great Election of 2016. So you have spent three straight years attempting to overturn the will of the American people and nullify their votes. You view democracy as your enemy!
Speaker Pelosi, you admitted just last week at a public forum that your party’s impeachment effort has been going on for “two and a half years,” long before you ever heard about a phone call with Ukraine. Nineteen minutes after I took the oath of office, the Washington Post published a story headlined, “The Campaign to Impeach President Trump Has Begun.” Less than three months after my inauguration, Representative Maxine Waters stated, “I’m going to fight every day until he’s impeached.” House Democrats introduced the first impeachment resolution against me within months of my inauguration, for what will be regarded as one of our country’s best decisions, the firing of James Comey (see Inspector General Reports)—who the world now knows is one of the dirtiest cops our Nation has ever seen. A ranting and raving Congresswoman, Rashida Tlaib, declared just hours after she was sworn into office, “We’re gonna go in there and we’re gonna impeach the motherf****r.” Representative Al Green said in May, “I’m concerned that if we don’t impeach this president, he will get re-elected.” Again, you and your allies said, and did, all of these things long before you ever heard of President Zelensky or anything related to Ukraine. As you know very well, this impeachment drive has nothing to do with Ukraine, or the totally appropriate conversation I had with its new president. It only has to do with your attempt to undo the election of 2016 and steal the election of 2020!
Congressman Adam Schiff cheated and lied all the way up to the present day, even going so far as to fraudulently make up, out of thin air, my conversation with President Zelensky of Ukraine and read this fantasy language to Congress as though it were said by me. His shameless lies and deceptions, dating all the way back to the Russia Hoax, is one of the main reasons we are here today.
You and your party are desperate to distract from America’s extraordinary economy, incredible jobs boom, record stock market, soaring confidence, and flourishing citizens. Your party simply cannot compete with our record: 7 million new jobs; the lowest-ever unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Asian Americans; a rebuilt military; a completely reformed VA with Choice and Accountability for our great veterans; more than 170 new federal judges and two Supreme Court Justices; historic tax and regulation cuts; the elimination of the individual mandate; the first decline in prescription drug prices in half a century; the first new branch of the United States Military since 1947, the Space Force; strong protection of the Second Amendment; criminal justice reform; a defeated ISIS caliphate and the killing of the world’s number one terrorist leader, al-Baghdadi; the replacement of the disastrous NAFTA trade deal with the wonderful USMCA (Mexico and Canada); a breakthrough Phase One trade deal with China; massive new trade deals with Japan and South Korea; withdrawal from the terrible Iran Nuclear Deal; cancellation of the unfair and costly Paris Climate Accord; becoming the world’s top energy producer; recognition of Israel’s capital, opening the American Embassy in Jerusalem, and recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights; a colossal reduction in illegal border crossings, the ending of Catch-and-Release, and the building of the Southern Border Wall—and that is just the beginning, there is so much more. You cannot defend your extreme policies—open borders, mass migration, high crime, crippling taxes, socialized healthcare, destruction of American energy, late-term taxpayer-funded abortion, elimination of the Second Amendment, radical far-left theories of law and justice, and constant partisan obstruction of both common sense and common good.
There is nothing I would rather do than stop referring to your party as the Do-Nothing Democrats. Unfortunately, I don’t know that you will ever give me a chance to do so.
After three years of unfair and unwarranted investigations, 45 million dollars spent, 18 angry Democrat prosecutors, the entire force of the FBI, headed by leadership now proven to be totally incompetent and corrupt, you have found NOTHING! Few people in high position could have endured or passed this test. You do not know, nor do you care, the great damage and hurt you have inflicted upon wonderful and loving members of my family. You conducted a fake investigation upon the democratically elected President of the United States, and you are doing it yet again.
There are not many people who could have taken the punishment inflicted during this period of time, and yet done so much for the success of America and its citizens. But instead of putting our country first, you have decided to disgrace our country still further. You completely failed with the Mueller report because there was nothing to find, so you decided to take the next hoax that came along, the phone call with Ukraine—even though it was a perfect call. And by the way, when I speak to foreign countries, there are many people, with permission, listening to the call on both sides of the conversation.
You are the ones interfering in America’s elections. You are the ones subverting America’s Democracy. You are the ones Obstructing Justice. You are the ones bringing pain and suffering to our Republic for your own selfish personal, political, and partisan gain.
Before the Impeachment Hoax, it was the Russian Witch Hunt. Against all evidence, and regardless of the truth, you and your deputies claimed that my campaign colluded with the Russians—a grave, malicious, and slanderous lie, a falsehood like no other. You forced our Nation through turmoil and torment over a wholly fabricated story, illegally purchased from a foreign spy by Hillary Clinton and the DNC in order to assault our democracy. Yet, when the monstrous lie was debunked and this Democrat conspiracy dissolved into dust, you did not apologize. You did not recant. You did not ask to be forgiven. You showed no remorse, no capacity for self-reflection. Instead, you pursued your next libelous and vicious crusade—you engineered an attempt to frame and defame an innocent person. All of this was motivated by personal political calculation. Your Speakership and your party are held hostage by your most deranged and radical representatives of the far left. Each one of your members lives in fear of a socialist primary challenger—this is what is driving impeachment. Look at Congressman Nadler’s challenger. Look at yourself and others. Do not take our country down with your party.
If you truly cared about freedom and liberty for our Nation, then you would be devoting your vast investigative resources to exposing the full truth concerning the FBI’s horrifying abuses of power before, during, and after the 2016 election—including the use of spies against my campaign, the submission of false evidence to a FISA court, and the concealment of exculpatory evidence in order to frame the innocent. The FBI has great and honorable people, but the leadership was inept and corrupt. I would think that you would personally be appalled by these revelations, because in your press conference the day you announced impeachment, you tied the impeachment effort directly to the completely discredited Russia Hoax, declaring twice that “all roads lead to Putin,” when you know that is an abject lie. I have been far tougher on Russia than President Obama ever even thought to be.
Any member of Congress who votes in support of impeachment—against every shred of truth, fact, evidence, and legal principle—is showing how deeply they revile the voters and how truly they detest America’s Constitutional order. Our Founders feared the tribalization of partisan politics, and you are bringing their worst fears to life.
Worse still, I have been deprived of basic Constitutional Due Process from the beginning of this impeachment scam right up until the present. I have been denied the most fundamental rights afforded by the Constitution, including the right to present evidence, to have my own counsel present, to confront accusers, and to call and cross-examine witnesses, like the so-called whistleblower who started this entire hoax with a false report of the phone call that bears no relationship to the actual phone call that was made. Once I presented the transcribed call, which surprised and shocked the fraudsters (they never thought that such evidence would be presented), the so-called whistleblower, and the second whistleblower, disappeared because they got caught, their report was a fraud, and they were no longer going to be made available to us. In other words, once the phone call was made public, your whole plot blew up, but that didn’t stop you from continuing.
More due process was afforded to those accused in the Salem Witch Trials.
You and others on your committees have long said impeachment must be bipartisan—it is not. You said it was very divisive—it certainly is, even far more than you ever thought possible—and it will only get worse!
This is nothing more than an illegal, partisan attempted coup that will, based on recent sentiment, badly fail at the voting booth. You are not just after me, as President, you are after the entire Republican Party. But because of this colossal injustice, our party is more united than it has ever been before. History will judge you harshly as you proceed with this impeachment charade. Your legacy will be that of turning the House of Representatives from a revered legislative body into a Star Chamber of partisan persecution.
Perhaps most insulting of all is your false display of solemnity. You apparently have so little respect for the American People that you expect them to believe that you are approaching this impeachment somberly, reservedly, and reluctantly. No intelligent person believes what you are saying. Since the moment I won the election, the Democrat Party has been possessed by Impeachment Fever. There is no reticence. This is not a somber affair. You are making a mockery of impeachment and you are scarcely concealing your hatred of me, of the Republican Party, and tens of millions of patriotic Americans. The voters are wise, and they are seeing straight through this empty, hollow, and dangerous game you are playing.
I have no doubt the American people will hold you and the Democrats fully responsible in the upcoming 2020 election. They will not soon forgive your perversion of justice and abuse of power.
There is far too much that needs to be done to improve the lives of our citizens. It is time for you and the highly partisan Democrats in Congress to immediately cease this impeachment fantasy and get back to work for the American People. While I have no expectation that you will do so, I write this letter to you for the purpose of history and to put my thoughts on a permanent and indelible record.
One hundred years from now, when people look back at this affair, I want them to understand it, and learn from it, so that it can never happen to another President again.
Sincerely yours,
DONALD J. TRUMP
President of the United States of America
cc: United States Senate
United States House of Representatives
Wow, LJ, I sure am glad you learned how to navigate around the Twit-erhood. I’d get so lost, I’d need GPS! But, thankfully, I can just come over and sit on your front porch while you share the latest neighborhood gos with me. Thanky kindly, ma’am!
I'm guessing your reference to the Oconus LUres comes from the same guy i follow whenever and wherever he goes.He is a brilliant researcher. You gotta wonder how he puts it all together off the top of his head,simply amazing.
Sunday one of the things that came up on the TV talk show thread was that no one has ever tried what Trump is doing. He's actually draining the swamp.He's going after the cabal,deep state the baddest of the bad guys who have been controlling US govt. and much of the wealth of the world for decades if not centuries.
Such a task has no timetable.
It has to be done with finesse or humpty falls off the fence and the whole thing turns into chaos.If that happens they win we lose.
Just think of hillary alone and she's just one player not the top of the food chain either. Taking her down deals with not hundreds but thousands of people in the worlds of drugs, human smuggling, arms smuggling,conflict oil,minerals, you name it she's into it all.Taking all that apart without blowing up the house is not as easy as it looks.
If the 50k secret sealed indictments are any key to what is going on a lot is happening behind the scenes and most likely only a few know or it would all be blown apart.
Bottom line like everyone here says:
TRUST TRUMP.
Very good analysis. Makes a lot of sense.