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The Tipping System Is Immoral (Leave 30%)
New York Times ^ | 10/24/2019 | David Brooks

Posted on 10/25/2019 8:31:33 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: Responsibility2nd

The problem is this guy thinks in terms of redistributing wealth rather than rewarding good work.


41 posted on 10/25/2019 8:54:55 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standupr Philosopher)
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To: al_c

“Amazing service might get me to 30”

That’s Antoine’s. Only.


42 posted on 10/25/2019 8:55:00 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Why don’t they lower the resturant tax and pay their help more?


43 posted on 10/25/2019 8:57:27 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: mkleesma

And so long as the tips are given voluntarily there’s absolutely nothing wrong with people who deliver a service making out like “bandits”. It’s how a lot of hard working but otherwise saleable skills lacking people manage to feed themselves and their families. Taxes and government in general, on the other hand, is the genuine “banditry”.


44 posted on 10/25/2019 8:58:23 AM PDT by katana
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To: RayChuang88

Some people can not cook. Eating the slop they produce is extremely painful. Some people can cook. Most of their stuff is descent. On par with middle of the road restaurants. Some people cook very well. Their stuff is on par with higher end restaurants. Then there are people who love to cook and push the envelope. A lot of their stuff is on par with the best in the world.

Food snobs are jerks, but some people can produce spectacular food. Calling me a food snob because I sous vide (130F) my fries for 5 hours in a basic (Baking soda) solution because it creates tiny pits in the surface and triple frying them does not make me a food snob. It means I love to cook and push the envelope. You have never been to anyplace (unless top 10 in the world) that makes fries like I do and they will make you cry. Extreme crisp and almost mashed potato like interiors. Not food snobbing, rather loving cooking and thus becoming really good at it. People lucky enough for me to cook for them are ruined from the higher end places.


45 posted on 10/25/2019 8:59:21 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: Responsibility2nd

David Brooks now decides on morals???


46 posted on 10/25/2019 8:59:23 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: mkleesma
Thanks for confirming what I suspected. I worked as a cab driver during my college years in a small midwestern town. If I made even 10% in tips, I considered myself lucky. Most of my fares were elderly, students and people who had decided to park their cars for the winter and use a cab because it was more reliable.

The waitresses were among the worst tippers. I was a genuinely nice young man in those days and had customers ask for me personally, none of whom were great tippers. But it was better to have a paying fare than none at all.

One notable exception was a black gal who worked at a couple of different go-go bars and lived in a seedy motel on the outskirts of town. She was always sweet, told me jokes that I would get banned for posting and told me that she asked for me personally because I treated her like a regular person, not a novelty or a piece of meat. Black folks were rare in that area of the country, but I was brought up to treat all people with common courtesy. Her tip was generally in the 15-20% range.

After living in Asia for 14 years where tips aren't expected, I've come to the conclusion that they are a subsidy for employers who want to pay rock bottom wages. Even now at the point in my life that I can take the Mrs. out to eat regularly, we often choose fast food so I am not bothered with waiting for tables and tipping. Chick-fil-A gives me as much or more satisfaction than your average sit down restaurant and THEY don't expect tips.

47 posted on 10/25/2019 8:59:38 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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48 posted on 10/25/2019 9:00:11 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Cool idea.


49 posted on 10/25/2019 9:00:22 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("I've read the back of The Book, and we win.")
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To: bagster

Ahh, you beat me to the Mr. Pink reference.


50 posted on 10/25/2019 9:00:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Rurudyne

Correct.

The whole premise of his argument is based on wealth redistribution.

I’m sure he wants restaurants to be ordered to pay waiters $15.00 per hour.

Regardless of the fact that means many restaurants will have to raise prices, lose customers as a result, and then of course go out of business.


51 posted on 10/25/2019 9:01:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: BBQToadRibs

I drive a cab and am fine with a ten percent tip. As long as it’s least a dollar! Handing someone fifty cents is ridiculous - and has not happened to me.

Every day one or two people don’t tip. They don’t anger me. I figure they are poor or don’t know. Usually.

Most tip fifteen to twenty percent. I am grateful. Cab drivers at least here don’t make much.

Some tip up to a hundred percent. God bless them. It is very kind.

But as long as people pay the metered fare and are polite I don’t get angry. I understand I am one of the rare ones. Just yesterday a passenger was telling me about a driver who got angry at him for “only” tipping $5.

I have never and will never berate a passenger.


52 posted on 10/25/2019 9:01:50 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Servers who work in upscale restaurants can make good money. Servers who work in diners struggle.”

First off, a good server at a diner that sees decent business is not going to be struggling.

Beyond that, there are higher expectations at an upscale restaurant than there are at a diner. That goes for everything from appearance to performance.


53 posted on 10/25/2019 9:02:05 AM PDT by Stravinsky
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To: dfwgator
Yay, finally.


54 posted on 10/25/2019 9:02:55 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Jewbacca

My starting point is 17%, and then I adjust depending on the circumstances.

In college I was a waitress at a Dunkin’ Donuts in Binghamton, NY. It was a full-service diner, and on a truckers’ route. I made 90 cents and hour, and a LOT of tips.


55 posted on 10/25/2019 9:03:20 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("I've read the back of The Book, and we win.")
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Hear hear!


56 posted on 10/25/2019 9:04:01 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Responsibility2nd

My buddies and I were in Dallas in the 80’s and had a sure-fire way to ensure great service. We would select a bartender at a busy club when we entered as being the focus of our largess. We would each put down a $20 bill and order a drink, stating that we wanted to open a tab. The bartender would usually look at the cash and ask what that was for. We would explain that the cash was for him or her as a “pre-tip”, in return for our expectation that we would get excellent service throughout the night. We would further explain that if the service was good, we would be tipping again at the end of the evening when we cleared our tab. Boy, did we get great service throughout the night! And when we had each consumed a dozen or more cocktails and closed our tab, the tab was usually ridiculously low. So, another $20 each followed. I’m sure that the bar’s beverage cost ticked up a fraction on the nights that we were in attendance, but the memories were epic and for $50 a head, it was worth every dime.


57 posted on 10/25/2019 9:04:11 AM PDT by T. Rustin Noone (the angels wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Better idea, a new tax rate for RINOs, with twice the rate for the same income level. And do away with ALL deductions for RINOs living in blue states.

GO AWAY Brooks. Or at least join a throuple with the Romneys where you’ll be happy and satisfied.


58 posted on 10/25/2019 9:04:30 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“They don’t like it? They can go collect from the kitchen. Or the manager who failed to staff the restaurant properly.
The customer is not responsible for “unforeseen conditions”

My wife and I both worked food service. There was plenty of unforeseen conditions out of managers control.

Yes, 2 waiters call in sick at last moment, a bus full of tourist arrive etc

There is a difference between bad service and those unforeseen conditions and we tip accordingly.


59 posted on 10/25/2019 9:06:38 AM PDT by setter
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To: setter
We rarely go out because money is tight, I tip what I can afford and if that's not good enough sorry. I guess then people like me will just stop going out to eat period and maybe restaurants wait staffing will be lower. I do recall many years ago when I first started working, it was the Steak House at Knott's Berry Farm and jerk with a large party left a quarter in the tip tray. The waitress chased him down outside and said quite loudly but politely in front of a mass of visitors "Sir, sir, you forgot your quarter in my tip tray!" That was priceless!

I don't know why this author even wrote this with today's millennials, they have no concept of finances and wouldn't think twice about paying a 50% gratuity. After all it's like free right? You just put it on a credit card!

60 posted on 10/25/2019 9:06:56 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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