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Amber Guyger found guilty of murder in fatal shooting of Botham Jean
Fox4 News ^ | 10/01/209

Posted on 10/01/2019 10:33:27 AM PDT by Envisioning

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To: TexasGator
>>>Cite the statute that entering someone’s abode is a crime.

Give me your address and we'll see if you think it's a crime. Seriously.

In Texas, what she did is considered burglary. It can also be considered criminal trespass (30.05) since his door is obviously designed to exclude intruders. and that is a misdemeanor. In order for it to be murder and not negligent homicide or manslaughter, it has to be in commission of a felony and that's where a burglary charge comes in.

And in Texas, burglary doesn't just mean I break in a steal your stuff. 30.02.a.3 comes into play here. It becomes burglary when you enter another person's residence, without consent, and commit an assault OR felony (which shooting someone certainly is). You don't have to meet mens rea.

So....30.02.a.3 and 30.05 are BOTH things she did. One is a felony and the other is a class a misdemeanor...which is why they didn't gl with 30.05.

101 posted on 10/01/2019 1:36:16 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: TexasGator
>>>If you do you better get a real lawyer. I suggest that if younrally believe that, go talk to some lawyers before you get into serious trouble.

Fortunately for me, I do, and I know the law. One of my best friends has bar privileges for the SCOTUS and regularly argues cases before the high court. He's a constitutional scholar and practices law here in Texas (San Antonio). So, I feel very confident (after many conversations with him) about what I am saying. Had Botham Jean shot Amber Guyger in his home after she entered HIS home, her mens rea would not be an issue....only the fact that she had most certainly violated TPC 30.05 (the Actus Reus). Of that, there is NO doubt. A door of one's home has LONG legal standing as something that is designed to exclude intruders.

102 posted on 10/01/2019 1:44:45 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: fwdude
Again, intent and lack of knowledge, is a relevant factor.

I disagree. The circumstances of the shooting is the relevant factor. Had she been walking down the hall and dropped her gun which then went off and the bullet went through the wall and killed him, that would be an accident. She shot an unarmed man in his own apartment which she illegally entered. And it was her illegal act led to her shooting a man.

You keep comparing this to an auto accident where someone is killed and nobody is charged. And you're right, that happens every day. But if I'm fleeing the police and hit a car and kill the occupant, I'm getting charged. If I drink to excess and hit a car and kill the occupant, I'm getting charged. Even though in neither case did I intend to kill anyone, I was in the process of committing an illegal act that lead to the death. Do that and you're going to get charged every time. And that's what happened here.

103 posted on 10/01/2019 1:47:27 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: TexasGator
You dont know that.

Was it her apartment? Was she invited it? Since the answer to is "no" then she was there illegally.

104 posted on 10/01/2019 1:50:53 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Envisioning

Good.

Now watch her get a five year suspended sentence.


105 posted on 10/01/2019 1:52:07 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: DoodleDawg
She killed someone during the commission of a crime. That's murder in Texas.

Yeah, but they had a tough job proving it beyond a reasonable doubt. But they did their job well and it stuck.

106 posted on 10/01/2019 1:53:56 PM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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To: Envisioning
"murder [ˈmərdər] NOUN the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." I live 40 miles from Dallas, so it's been almost impossible not to keep up with this trial. I don't think she should have been charged with murder to begin with. From all I listened to, this was a horrible, tragic mistake. She made more than one mistake, but what would you do if you found your door open and someone inside? (She thought it was her apartment)? I think that adds another dimension to this incident. There was no evidence that the two knew each other. I think this is a case of jury nullification. Maybe she was sacrificed to prevent Dallas from burning. I was stunned when I heard the verdict. Her mistake cost Mr. Jean his life, but there was no "premeditation". Negligent homicide was warranted, but murder is in another ballpark. He did testify that she intended to kill Mr. Jean, but she was talking about her training. Cops are taught to neutralize the threat, so if a cop pulls his/her gun, they don't try to wing the other person, they shoot center mass. I predict the verdict will be overturned on appeal.
107 posted on 10/01/2019 1:54:54 PM PDT by ALASKA (Watching an attempted coup by a thousand cuts....)
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To: TexasGator
Cite the statute that entering someone’s abode is a crime.

Link: Penal Code Chapter 30

108 posted on 10/01/2019 1:54:56 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: IrishBrigade

She did fail to render aid, but SOP with cops is two shots.


109 posted on 10/01/2019 1:57:11 PM PDT by ALASKA (Watching an attempted coup by a thousand cuts....)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Tests were done and no alcohol or drugs were found in her system.


110 posted on 10/01/2019 1:59:08 PM PDT by ALASKA (Watching an attempted coup by a thousand cuts....)
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To: ALASKA

“””Cops are taught to neutralize the threat,”””


Cops are also trained to de-escalate any situation. Something that Amber failed to do -— big time.

Even though Amber had attended an 8 hour de-escalation training class in April 2018, she forgets all her training in Sept 2018 and instead ‘neutralizes’ the victim who was watching TV and eating ice cream in his home.


111 posted on 10/01/2019 2:01:46 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: DoodleDawg

It was a mistake. A horrible, tragic mistake. Negligent homicide, but there was no premeditation, so a murder conviction is unwarranted.


112 posted on 10/01/2019 2:02:05 PM PDT by ALASKA (Watching an attempted coup by a thousand cuts....)
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To: DoodleDawg
She killed a man while committing a crime: criminal trespass at best or breaking and entering at worst. Killing someone in the commission of a crime in Texas is murder.

I have been saying that since this happened, she committed an Armed Home Invasion, Armed Robbery and Murdered the Occupant of that home.
113 posted on 10/01/2019 2:02:17 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: LRoggy
They wouldn’t test for ADD/ADHD medicine at the time of arrest in all likelihood.

Well, no, but they would have found meds in her purse or medicine cabinet.

114 posted on 10/01/2019 2:09:19 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Extremism.)
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To: Envisioning
Good.

You walk into a guy's apartment pull your weapon and shoot him.

That is murder.

115 posted on 10/01/2019 2:13:22 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Human beings don't behave rationally. We rationalize our behavior.)
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To: ALASKA

It was a mistake. A horrible, tragic mistake. Negligent homicide, but there was no premeditation, so a murder conviction is unwarranted.


The fact that she didn’t adminster aid after her tragic “mistake” underminds your argument. If she attempted to save his life I might agree with you. She did not.


116 posted on 10/01/2019 2:13:50 PM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: al_c

That’s what I was thinking but it was Dallas County. I didn’t see any planning or motive but there was gross negligence.


117 posted on 10/01/2019 2:23:03 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet
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To: outpostinmass2

It WAS a horrible mistake and none of us know how we’d react. Sure, she’d been trained to give aid, but she wasn’t working a case, she thought it was her own home. Murder requires premeditation, and there was no testimony of that. I stick by my original statement.


118 posted on 10/01/2019 2:24:20 PM PDT by ALASKA (Watching an attempted coup by a thousand cuts....)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

It’s not her vs a dead man

It’s her vs the jury as it weighs her credibility


119 posted on 10/01/2019 2:24:51 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Pussie Smollett, Mizzou, campus fake nooses, fake "protests" FAKE EVERYTHING Hey CNN? lol)
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To: ALASKA
It WAS a horrible mistake and none of us know how we’d react. Sure, she’d been trained to give aid, but she wasn't’t working a case, she thought it was her own home. Murder requires premeditation, and there was no testimony of that. I stick by my original statement.

In the 911 tapes she admits that she mistook the victims apartment for her own. In the body cam video she admits it again. She never administered aid even though she knew she shot an innocent man.

120 posted on 10/01/2019 2:28:54 PM PDT by outpostinmass2
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