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There is not one word of falsehood, in the quotes from many dead members of the LDS faith.

Whew!

It appears that YOU are safe from the spirit of Apostacy!!

(Though that 'many' leaves a LOT of wiggle room.)

"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."

(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)

Reinforced here......

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."

Don't criticize?

Dallin H. Oaks, Mormon Apostle

And here:

Temple Recommend Questions:

1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said WHATEVER but that's NOT the same as criticizing!

( Remember fellow Christians: the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )

(Though that ‘many’ leaves a LOT of wiggle room.)

My comment was only in reference to the men you quoted not an attempt at wiggling.

I do need to address one other issue. I was going to add a caution in my original post about being careful about putting words unspoken in others mouths. I though better of it in order to give benefit of doubt.

Your quote: ( Remember fellow Christians: the Mormon’s criticize US because they’ve been taught that they CAN’T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )

Can’t is not found in that quote. The quote is “It is wrong to criticize...” I don’t see that as a prohibition. We are cautioned that it can be a poison dangerous to our faith if carried to extreme. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is all about personal agency. We are commanded by the Gospel of Christ, but no one is standing over us other than our conscience or the Holy Spirit to guide. You have concentrated on the words of the dead members of the Church of Jesus Christ which is why I suggested you might try with the living members, and I applaud your effort in that regard.

You did manage to paint with a broad brush accusing Mormon’s in general of criticizing Christian’s while divorcing said Mormon’s from the Christian family. I’ll accept some Mormon’s are critical, but certainly not all and it is strictly you opinion on whether We belong to the Christian family or not. I would say any LDS members on FR are already sufficiently warned by their opponents if they haven’t already left this site because of the constant harangue by so called Christian’s. Frankly, I don’t think you have helped JR maintain FreeRepublic, by driving away those who agree in principle with FR but rightly refuse to put up with the crap you folks are so good at delivering. Just my maybe not so humble opinion.

I tried my best to keep it civil but didn’t want to completely whitewash my comments. Now that I have spent this time I still haven’t forgotten the polygamy repeal. Later I guess. Maybe I should just point out God’s repeal of the Garden of Eden, and then mankind sorta got repealed because of corruption around the time of the flood. Noah and family started the recovery. The Law of Moses was repealed by Christ. The Jews themselves went from chosen to not so chosen, repeal of the present status of this planet is also due sometime in the future. IOW repeals are not that unusual. Stoning, and an eye for an eye would not be appreciated in today’s society but were certainly a part of early Christianity. I’m sure there are more.