If you can’t be that honest, the spirit of truth and Christ himself cannot be a resident in your heart.

What was your grade in the Logic 101 course you took at BYU?

181 posted on 10/30/2019 4:16:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

My Mormon friends say that I’m the more Mormon than they are in that I know more about what they believe than they do

Well; many of your Mormon friends no doubt look at PORN on the Internet; too!

No; not the SEX kind; but the ALTERNATIVE sources of Mormon history that has NOT been approved by the POWERS high over SLC!

The 'net is ripping USA LDS numbers to SHREDS!

182 posted on 10/30/2019 4:18:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

183 posted on 10/30/2019 4:20:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Flaming Conservative

AMEN!

We don’t care where you come from; just where you think you’re going!

(And how you are gonna GET there!)

184 posted on 10/30/2019 4:21:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Mountain Meadows was wrong, but your rendition of reasons is worse..

Ok; let's just cut to the chase; the water has already gone over the bridge.

Now; just WHY should a person choose MormonISM over classic Christianity; for this arguing over he said-she said is going nowhere.

185 posted on 10/30/2019 4:24:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

186 posted on 10/30/2019 4:26:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Mathew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Keep reading; Son. Keep reading...

Jesus has commanded us to judge!

"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24).

"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).

Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.

"But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

"And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

"Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

"Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18).

All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin.

We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.

"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24).

187 posted on 10/30/2019 4:29:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Those that I know, don’t.

188 posted on 10/30/2019 4:35:24 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)

Mormonic Verses Placemarker

189 posted on 10/30/2019 5:01:28 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion

To: aMorePerfectUnion

190 posted on 10/30/2019 5:33:37 PM PDT by fproy2222 (In America today, womb lynching, the killing of innocent babies in the womb, is legal.)

Average for you

Thanks.

May it always be so.

191 posted on 10/30/2019 7:48:00 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion

There is no requirement that a Christian believe in Emperor Costantines dictated ‘homousis’ triune God.

And yet the 'three witnesses' give TESTIMONY to it.

An 1830 statement titled "Testimony of Three Witnesses"—one statement signed by three men rather than three separate statements—was published at the end of the first edition of the Book of Mormon:

Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, his brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seeen [sic] the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shewn unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvellous [sic] in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.

They must have gotten the concept from the Book of Mormon...

Book of Mormon:
Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)
...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)
...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)
...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)
...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)
...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)

"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)

"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)

192 posted on 10/31/2019 4:49:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

In-fact even Christ himself did not believe in the Trinity as evident in the bulk of biblical passages.

Sorry; but the 'bulk of passages' will HAVE to be shown; instead of merely claimed to exist; since your own QUAD has the words:

"I and the Father are one."

193 posted on 10/31/2019 4:51:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Real early in your QUAD the first book says:

"Let US make man in OUR image."

I do not know how this resonates in the LDS trained mind; but to most any other person who reads it must surely come away with the fact that there are at LEAST two entities being referred to here.

194 posted on 10/31/2019 4:54:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Yes, I also believe that there is much that God has not told mankind about himself or what has transpired. YES, we agree with you.

Why throw pearls before swine? HUH?

Could you conceive of God having truths that you currently are not in possession of? YES, we all have a mind that in no way can concieve of all GOD's knowledge and wisdom.

I suppose that your religious-bigotry would not allow you to entertain that concept. What?

Why the sneering questions?

We non-Mormons maintain that there is NOTHING else 'needed to be revealed' that gets a person saved and into heaven than what is found in the bible.

You folks have a LONG way to go to prove otherwise.

The LDS record shows a CHANGING GOD(s) that vacilates between eternal doctrine and goverment imposed laws.

We gentiles (as you so wonderfully call us) find the bible RECORD of a GOD that does NOT change to be slightly more believable.

195 posted on 10/31/2019 5:03:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Believe in the Word of God...

Don't you mean GODS?

...reject the Creeds of Man!

Um; OK...

Even THIS one???

Here is MORMONism's own creed:

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor, in response to

Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.

They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.

They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

http://wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/student?creed

One entry found for creed.

Main Entry: creed

Pronunciation: krd
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English crede "creed," from Old English crda (same meaning), from Latin credo, literally, "I believe" (used as the first words in many creeds), from credere "to believe, trust, entrust" --related to CREDENTIALS, CREDIT, INCREDIBLE
1 : a statement of the basic beliefs of a religious faith
2 : a set of guiding principles or beliefs

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

196 posted on 10/31/2019 5:17:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Could you conceive of God having truths that you currently are not in possession of?

Like the TRINITY; perhaps??

What if it DID come along LATER; according to LDS teaching; so why attempt to retroactively dismiss it?

You accept so readily the later stuff Joe and Brig gave you; so where is your authority to REJECT what Roman councils gave you?

After all; you use the BIBLE they supplied the world...

197 posted on 10/31/2019 5:21:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Believe in the Word of God

198 posted on 10/31/2019 5:22:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Was Hans Mill good or bad in your way of thinking?

Thou shalt not kill.

Assuredly; two wrongs do not make a right; but, however; three lefts will.

199 posted on 10/31/2019 5:24:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

If you want to learn about the LDS Church don’t go to Martin or the Tanners.

Yeah!

Phooey on THEM!!

We now have ELSIE that RE-produces plenty of facts about MORMONism right here!!!

LDS teachings disagreeing with Mormonism writings seems to befuddle the typical Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latterday Saint member without calling up the boogie men of Tanner/Martin.

That said; have a Happy Halloween!!

200 posted on 10/31/2019 5:29:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

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