In the second video, the blonde Fox gal kept trying to confirm that. He got nervous and did not want to say their names. She tried at least twice (IIRC) to get him to say it.
It scared him to mention the names so he kept repeating that AG Barr had all the info.
It was pretty obvious “they” were the senders of the “men in black”. He kept saying the FBI had been used, unwittingly, except those at the top (the four names mentioned earlier up). He said this, basically, at least twice.
Now of course he excused the Kenyan Fraud. As if these types would be operating such things without his knowledge and approval.
He has probably been told by Barr to keep his mouth shut about the names..................