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To: Bigg Red
You are implying that the Apostles did not live religious lives and that the Catholic Church was corrupt at its founding.

No I'm not. I said or implied nothing about the apostles. And I don't think that.

And I said that the 'church' was founded in a 'corrupt' environment. One in which the people were used to certain ways and beliefs.

Surely those ways, beliefs, and practices didn't disappear off the face of the earth when the Emperor snapped his fingers and declared it so.

Those beliefs and practices were there then, and it appears they are there now (not necessarily in the 'leadership' of the church, but in the body of man), and probably all the time in between.

Not necessarily in the church, but not necessarily NOT in the church either.

Institutions can become corrupted by corrupt men. Example, FBI, CIA, DOJ, State Dept, Congress, Office of the Presidency, entire governments.

Why not churches? And not just the Catholic church.

This is not an attack on the righteous, but a commentary on the institution, which is neither the bulk of the people (you) nor God or Jesus.


1,215 posted on 07/31/2019 5:29:21 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster

This is not an attack on the righteous, but a commentary on the institution, which is neither the bulk of the people (you) nor God or Jesus.
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Once again, IMHO, spot on religion man.


1,219 posted on 07/31/2019 5:35:04 PM PDT by christianbasque (Toasting an Irish coffee to my beloved Carol & Sean...)
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To: bagster
Why not churches? And not just the Catholic church.

Let's not forget how this corrupt government can shackle any Christian church as well, with the 501 (c)(3).

CCat

1,230 posted on 07/31/2019 5:44:19 PM PDT by Conservative Gato (Now there are 4 kind of lies... Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics and the Media)
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To: bagster

Okay, now that you have explained yourself I retract my remark. And I apologize. FRens?

As for your comment to pbear, we do not “worship” men or the Church.


1,245 posted on 07/31/2019 6:06:33 PM PDT by Bigg Red (WWG1WGA)
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