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To: GYPSY286

Epstein didn’t get arrested and his home raided because a few days before old records got unsealed.

This is two different happenings.

The arrest is the product of a long and quiet investigation. The unsealing is the result of a long and loud public battle.

The quiet investigation is new info/evidence. The unsealing is old info.

Part of what the msm and the defense are going to try to do is confuse the two into the same thing and cry double jeopardy.


1,537 posted on 07/09/2019 10:54:22 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grimmy
Grimmy wrote:

Epstein didn’t get arrested and his home raided because a few days before old records got unsealed.

This is two different happenings.

The arrest is the product of a long and quiet investigation. The unsealing is the result of a long and loud public battle.

The quiet investigation is new info/evidence. The unsealing is old info.

Part of what the msm and the defense are going to try to do is confuse the two into the same thing and cry double jeopardy.

Thanks. Yes, you have clarified this and I am sure that you are right.

The "unsealing" isn't even about the criminal prosecution of Epstein back in 2007, it's about a later lawsuit brought in 2015 by an alleged victim of Epstein (Virginia Giuffre) against Epstein's girlfriend/assistant pimp Ghislaine Maxwell (herself a very rich person.) Cernovitch, Desrhowitz and Brown/Miami Herald also sued to unseal this case, which was a civil case which has settled.

The third case which is intermingled is the 2008 case by four victims, Jane Doe #1, Jane Doe #2, later joined by Virginia Giuffre (as Jane Doe #3, now self identified) and Jane Doe #4 -- that the DOJ violated the CRVA (Crime Victims Rights Act) in not consulting with them about the terms of the plea agreement, as CRVA requires.

That case had a preliminary ruling in Feb of this year. Here is that ruling:

CASE NO. O8-80736-CIV-MARRA JANE DOE 1 and JANE DOE 2, Petitioners vs. UNITED STATES, Respondent.

This is a really interesting document.

This is the case that the MSM keep trying to use to drag Sec. Acosta (then a US Attorney) into the role of villain.

The judge ruled that Jane Doe 1 and 2 did have their rights violated under CVRA. Their motions to "compel answers" and also to unseal more of the original Epstein case were denied ("motion for finding waiver of Work Product and Simpilar Protections by Government and for Producing of Documents.

The Jane Does and the Government were told to file papers explaining how they wanted their rights violation remedied, "if any". They were given 15 days to do so back in Feb, so this case is in the "what do we do about it".

Dershowitz (who was one of Epstein's defense attorneys) has said that regardless Epstein's plea agreement will stand. As the failure to follow the CVRA was entirely the Government's fault, and nothing Epstein had anything to do with.

Still, contradicting that, elsewhere I have read that the failure might cause the plea agreement to be put aside.

So, opinions differ. I'm thinking that as the judge would not even agree to let the plaintiffs see documents they asked to see in this ruling, he's not going to go for pitching the whole plea bargain in the trash.

1,560 posted on 07/09/2019 11:26:31 AM PDT by Jack Black ("If you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer" - "Superstition",Stevie Wonder)
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