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To: Grimmy
Grimmy wrote:

Epstein didn’t get arrested and his home raided because a few days before old records got unsealed.

This is two different happenings.

The arrest is the product of a long and quiet investigation. The unsealing is the result of a long and loud public battle.

The quiet investigation is new info/evidence. The unsealing is old info.

Part of what the msm and the defense are going to try to do is confuse the two into the same thing and cry double jeopardy.

Thanks. Yes, you have clarified this and I am sure that you are right.

The "unsealing" isn't even about the criminal prosecution of Epstein back in 2007, it's about a later lawsuit brought in 2015 by an alleged victim of Epstein (Virginia Giuffre) against Epstein's girlfriend/assistant pimp Ghislaine Maxwell (herself a very rich person.) Cernovitch, Desrhowitz and Brown/Miami Herald also sued to unseal this case, which was a civil case which has settled.

The third case which is intermingled is the 2008 case by four victims, Jane Doe #1, Jane Doe #2, later joined by Virginia Giuffre (as Jane Doe #3, now self identified) and Jane Doe #4 -- that the DOJ violated the CRVA (Crime Victims Rights Act) in not consulting with them about the terms of the plea agreement, as CRVA requires.

That case had a preliminary ruling in Feb of this year. Here is that ruling:

CASE NO. O8-80736-CIV-MARRA JANE DOE 1 and JANE DOE 2, Petitioners vs. UNITED STATES, Respondent.

This is a really interesting document.

This is the case that the MSM keep trying to use to drag Sec. Acosta (then a US Attorney) into the role of villain.

The judge ruled that Jane Doe 1 and 2 did have their rights violated under CVRA. Their motions to "compel answers" and also to unseal more of the original Epstein case were denied ("motion for finding waiver of Work Product and Simpilar Protections by Government and for Producing of Documents.

The Jane Does and the Government were told to file papers explaining how they wanted their rights violation remedied, "if any". They were given 15 days to do so back in Feb, so this case is in the "what do we do about it".

Dershowitz (who was one of Epstein's defense attorneys) has said that regardless Epstein's plea agreement will stand. As the failure to follow the CVRA was entirely the Government's fault, and nothing Epstein had anything to do with.

Still, contradicting that, elsewhere I have read that the failure might cause the plea agreement to be put aside.

So, opinions differ. I'm thinking that as the judge would not even agree to let the plaintiffs see documents they asked to see in this ruling, he's not going to go for pitching the whole plea bargain in the trash.

1,560 posted on 07/09/2019 11:26:31 AM PDT by Jack Black ("If you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer" - "Superstition",Stevie Wonder)
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To: Jack Black

What I’m reading and hearing is that the old case isn’t what’s being prosecuted at this time.

new offenses in new jurisdiction.

The kiddy porn found in the raid at his home the other day would seem to support that.


1,566 posted on 07/09/2019 11:39:33 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Jack Black

Forgot to add:

And if we can trust the msm, which is always questionable, Epstein is sure enough of his own guilt that he’s already ordered his defense to proffer a deal.


1,567 posted on 07/09/2019 11:41:04 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Jack Black
Huber Watch: Enforcing existing laws can help prevent gun violence
Salt Lake Tribute ^ | 6/29/2019 | Ryan Robinson

Posted on 7/1/2019, 3:21:56 PM by Jack Black

To: gibsonguy
Isn’t Huber the guy useless Jeff tapped to “do something” when he was getting a LOT of pressure about fisagate?

Yes, and back when I used to post on the Q thread I started keeping track of what Huber was doing, based on visible news reports. That's the genesis of the "Huber Watch" moniker.

That was intended as a playful parody of the many repeating posts that are the foundation of the endless Q thread. They begin with Ransomnotes huge table of Q links, and then there are about 20 other repeating posts reminding people to do things like "post links" but "not from 8chan"...

From early on I felt that if Huber was going after the Deep State we'd read about it. After all, when Mueller was going after Trump we read about it all the time! We had indictments, guilty pleas, search warrants, SWAT-team assisted arrests.

I used Google alerts and what I saw was the Huber was doing all sorts of stuff - IN UTAH - which added to my sense of skepticism about Huber.

The weird thing is though that in Barr's last discussion of things he said something to the effect that Huber's work in investigation of Hillary would be coming to fruition soon.

So even at this point, I'm not 100% sure that Huber isn't doing something else besides busting crooks in Utah. But for sure, there has been reporting of it, if it's happening.

And that fact, right there, is big enough to fly a giant Q shaped blimp through.

11 posted on 7/1/2019, 4:48:49 PM by Jack Black ("If you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer" - "Superstition",Stevie Wonder)
 
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1,604 posted on 07/09/2019 12:33:56 PM PDT by haffast (Alternate universes held together by porridge.)
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