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To: Elsie; metmom
"Grace only kicks in when there is sin. If a person were sinless, they would not need God's grace."

John 1:14
"We saw the glory of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth."

Hard to see how "grace only kicks in when there is sin." I think that word does not mean what you think it means.

401 posted on 06/02/2019 6:25:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("We saw the glory of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth." - John 1:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Jesus is the One GIVING the grace.

He is full of grace towards us.


423 posted on 06/02/2019 8:17:36 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Hard to see how "grace only kicks in when there is sin."

Alrighty then.


 

 
 
 
Luke 2:22-24
 
When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord  (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”),  and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”
 

Leviticus 12:7-8
 
Then he shall offer it before the LORD and make atonement for her, and she shall be cleansed from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, whether a male or a female.
'But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.'"
 
 
 
 
Sinless Mary??
  Not according to Rome's Book;    1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
 
That's the way it is WRITTEN.
 
THIS is the way it is TAUGHT:  1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us; the only exception being Mary, Mother of GOD, of course.
 Rome has made IT's 'Mary' into a HYPOCRIT, by painting her as SINLESS, yet writing of her going into the temple to make a SIN offering.

458 posted on 06/03/2019 4:34:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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