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To: Mrs. Don-o
My advice to you is: wisely refrain from making pronouncements on Catholic doctrine, about which you fall into misinterpretation via a kind of "hermeneutic of suspicion" and whose contexts you so have heretofore regularly ignored.

Instead --- a word to the wise --- ASK. Ask what is the definition of "this word," what is the definition of "that doctrine."

One can read the documents. If the documents are not clear or are ambiguous that's on Roman Catholicism.

++Or go on giving your best guess, or referencing non-Catholic sources, and you will continue to require correction. Sometimes I have time to do that, and sometimes I don't.

The sources I have cited ARE Roman Catholic.

I've noticed Roman Catholics don't like certain things brought to light about their denomination. I can understand why.

As for Christ on the Catholic Crucifix: it is Christ who makes the crucifix significant. There is always a crucifix on a Catholic altar for Mass, to remind us that this is the sacrifice of Christ, our High Priest, done once and for all on the hill of Calvary, almost 2,000 years ago.

When I see an empty Cross I am reminded of His suffering.

I am glad to see you do recognize it was done was and for all. However, the "Mass" continues to perpetuate it....daily as indicated by Roman Catholic priests.

Your generalizations are, in the main, baseless and tendentious.

My "generalizations" are based on observations of Roman Catholics.

Do not embarrass yourself by making unfounded generalizations about Catholic crosses. You might want to keep actual examples of Catholic crosses firmly in mind:

You might want to get the terminology correct.

A crucifix (from Latin cruci fixus meaning "(one) fixed to a cross") is an image of Jesus on the cross, as distinct from a bare cross. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Or, if you prefer this one from a Roman Catholic source.

The most marked difference between a cross and a crucifix is the corpus or body of Christ on a crucifix.https://diocesan.com/cross-crucifix-similar-different/

My point remains.

The empty cross symbolizes a risen victorious Savior.

The crucifix keeps Jesus on the cross as the "victim"(btw...that's a RC word used to describe Jesus).

183 posted on 05/31/2019 9:12:55 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
The problem is not that you quote Catholic articles, but that you follow them up with anti-Catholic interpretations. It kind of like a deepfake with words.

You'll notice that I gave you illustrations --- there could have been hundreds of them ---of Catholic crosses without the Body of Christ.

Or perhaps they did not appear on your screen?

This grpahically disproves your generalization.

As for the crucifixes --- the ones with tbe Body of Christ still affixed --- this does not imply that we still think He is on the cross, no more than the Nativity scenes imply that we think He is still in his manger cradle.

Virtually all Catholic churches have walls showing the 14 stations of the Cross, which include His being taken down from the cross, and His entombment.

We're just coming toward Ascension and Pentecost on the Liturgical Calendar, which means we have been singing Resurrection songs for 50 straight days. We have been SATURATED with the Resurrection. So you misrepresent us when you say that we portray a belief that Jesus is still dead, dying, or being killed over and over again--- which is you persist in stating even after having being patiently and courteously corrected.

For our basic Christology, consult the Nicene Creed.

You can google it.

Thank you.

192 posted on 05/31/2019 9:53:03 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you: to act justly, to love tenderly, and to walk humbly with your God)
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To: ealgeone; Mrs. Don-o
I found your discussion on cross vs crucifix interesting. Personally, I have zero faith in rituals, paintings or symbols - in and of themselves. However, the story they convey is another matter altogether.

Unlike Catholics, Orthodox and other branches of Christianity that teach certain graces are gained by wearing a blessed this or that - I would disagree. The gospel, the NT, tells us that grace comes through our faith in Christ - period.

Now concerning the cross and crucifix. The crucifix is a beautiful image in that it reminds me of the price paid for my salvation. It tells me that my sins and my sickness were put on His body and that while I was yet a sinner, Christ died for me. The story the crucifix tells is a focal point of Christianity.

BTW - Catholics do wear crossed and Catholics do celebrate Easter. It would be unfair to suggest otherwise!

I may be wrong but I believe Protestants reject using a crucifix because it is primarily a symbol used by Catholics.

God forbid Protestants and Catholics agree on anything /s.

195 posted on 05/31/2019 10:14:00 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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