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To: PIF; cuban leaf; Lazamataz; GOPJ; Covenantor; fieldmarshaldj; SunkenCiv; Vaduz; mabarker1; ...
I read all the linked Rogoway articles carefully and listened to the new Fraver interview. BTW, I thought I already knew everything about Fraver's experience but picked up a few new details.

As you said, the new Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar is a game changer. Perhaps these "objects/craft" were probably often nearby but previously undetected. But now they are something to be dealt with.

The Navy, the Pentagon, and the government is to be commended for disclosing this early on. That too is a game changer.

I will post selective quotes from the main article that capture the heart of it (much as you did in your comment above) and post Fair Use snippets of the linked articles as appropriate.

Back to the bottom line, it is hard to imagine/guess what these things are. Doubtful they are our craft (drones?) from another gov't branch because they are running the risk of collision with our aircraft in training exercises with a potential loss of very expensive equipment and lives.

Doubtful they are from other countries because of their VERY advanced operating capacity/nature. This would be doubly troubling because they are operating within our "restricted" training areas critical to our national security.

That leaves us with the question of not only what they are but whose they are.

At least this time, the American public is, for the most part, as fully informed about this matter as the government.

61 posted on 05/29/2019 5:26:23 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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I can see why, of all USG policies, “ hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil” has been the very long time approach, Since Eisenhower, or before.
If ever this is seriously acknowledged as a nonhuman interaction, even regardless of assessing intent, it will become a game changer for humanity,

Maybe even a defense of the powers seeking global governance as a means of controlling the response.

Queue the nervous laughter, jokes, and ridicule..


63 posted on 05/29/2019 5:55:37 AM PDT by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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64 posted on 05/29/2019 7:12:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: RoosterRedux
it is hard to imagine/guess what these things are

No its not.There is a lot of experimental activity going on all the time, a lot of it classified. I suspect that these very infrequent 'encounters' are not the same thing but chance encounters with different activities. A hypersonic vehicle may show up on radar, but its not something a hornet driver is "almost going to hit". Two different things.

The military has been experimenting with mag rail canon for years and theae are capable of launching shells (which can be tracked on radar and IR) at hypersonic velocities. There has been drone development going on for over three decades now. These RPV's are diverse in design and flight characteristics.

So its not hard to imagine an explanation for any of this, especially since all that has been provided is a few video clips and MSM speculation. But queue up the Art Bell idiots and get ready for alien anal probe stories...


66 posted on 05/29/2019 7:27:32 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: RoosterRedux

Thank You!!!


67 posted on 05/29/2019 7:28:12 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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Thanks, I look forward to those quotes. The original CIA "Estimate" came to the correct conclusion in the late 1940s, but it was rejected because of insufficient data; the more data that has been gathered (orders of magnitude by now) the more the original report's conclusion has been upheld. A sanitized version was put out, it said basically, nothing, and then branches of the DoD got involved at different times. That has been continual (not continuous) right up to the recent past, and probably is ongoing right now.

69 posted on 05/29/2019 2:51:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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At least this time, the American public is, for the most part, as fully informed about this matter as the government.

When has the American public ever been as informed as
the government?

or am I just missing the sarcasm?


71 posted on 05/29/2019 3:23:33 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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