Nah. I would consider those guys amateurs too. Pikers. Con men. I mean real, professional, cabal/government-type brainwashers.
Hubbard might have gotten some clown seed-money early on. Shoot, he might have given the clowns some good ideas on money-making ventures built on lies.
Ultra and scientology got their start around the same time, didn't they?
[oh, and I didn't say Keith Richards was bad, just very, very, very, preserved.]
I was frankly quite surprised he was coherent.