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To: EasySt
And you are right. The alignment, as well as the focus, needs to be right for us to see it. If we were in another galaxy, we likely wouldn’t have seen this one, yet other alignments could present themselves.

That’s why I challenge this "Einstein Cross" as what we should be seeing is a ring, or a blur, but four separately displayed images on 90° axes? What "lens" mechanism creates that? They toss off a spiral galaxy as an explanation, then blithely add the object being 4x displayed is actually FIVE TIMES more brilliant than any of the images for it to be so imaged. Say what? What is this super bright object? Something is not right here. Ad hoc explanations when pulled from thin vacuums don’t work.

5 posted on 03/20/2019 3:42:20 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

I get what you’re saying. The only thing I can think of that would make any sense is some kind of polarized light (only waving 2 directions), but what do we know of that does that? *shrug*

It’s a pretty picture. I’ll get excited when they stop blaming the universe on dark matter/energy.


6 posted on 03/20/2019 4:47:47 AM PDT by TheZMan (I am a secessionist.)
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To: Swordmaker

The term “lens” is an analogy. The actual behavior of light depends on the geometry of the space through which it passes. This is calculated using the field equations of General Relativity, which are exceptionally complex and difficult to solve, but the basic idea is reasonably simple.

Most of us probably had geometry at some point. Almost certainly, that geometry was Euclidean geometry. This is geometry resulting from certain “self-evident” assumptions called postulates. For centuries this was the only geometry. In the 19th century, though, mathematicians realized that other geometries are possible. They began to develop these non-Euclidean geometries, even though it was “evident” that Euclidean geometry describes the universe.

Well, as maybe you guessed, the true geometry of the universe is NOT Euclidean. We only think it is because we don’t often deal with large distances. An anology is that the geometry of the earth’s surface appears Euclidean at small scale but not at large scale. Since we know the earth is non-Euclidean because it’s curved. By analogy, we say that the universe is also curved. The field equations simply relate this curvature to something easier to measure — energy. Energy causes curvature. This includes matter as well (E=mc^2).

There’s another phenomenon caused by matter, gravity. Gravity is just the name we called curvature before we understood this. Gravity IS curvature. It is also why we get “lensing”. It is not the same phenomenon as a glass lens though, so results from such lenses don’t apply


10 posted on 03/20/2019 5:04:55 AM PDT by stremba
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