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To: little jeremiah; ransomnote; Cats Pajamas; greeneyes; bagster; generally; Wneighbor; mairdie; ...

I did some reading yesterday since I didn’t know what the vote signified. From what I gather, the Parliament rejected by a huge margin, Theresa May’s” proposal which from what I gather, was NOT a “hard” exist. May didn’t even want Brexit at all and was really dragging her feet.

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If I understood today’s report on a fresh vote, they voted to DELAY the vote for hard Brexit., but I could be mistaken.

Here are a couple of Brexit stories that might set right any garbledness I may have caused:

1 hour ago on FOX:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/theresa-may-brexit-deal-faces-new-vote-in-british-parliament-what-to-know

1 hour ago on FOX:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/british-lawmakers-reject-no-deal-brexit-take-step-closer-to-delaying-departure

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/chances-of-no-deal-brexit-rise-as-parliament-soundly-defeats-latest-proposal-2019-03-12


1,576 posted on 03/13/2019 2:27:22 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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I figured Breitbart will have the most accurate and easily understood Brexit news and what the recent Parliament vote means, so I did some searchers. Here is one, Dellingpole is one of us in spirit:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/12/mps-reject-mays-latest-meaningful-vote-good/

Delingpole: Good Riddance to May’s Withdrawal Agreement – a Turd Rolled in Glitter

James Dellingpole 12 Mar 2019

Theresa May has lost her latest ‘meaningful vote’ on Brexit – as of course, we all knew she would.
Nobody liked her Withdrawal Agreement when parliament voted it down in January – humiliatingly rejecting it by a 230 vote margin.

Nobody liked her Withdrawal Agreement this time either – not least because it was the same Brexit In Name Only (BRINO) fudge as before, only with added legalese pretending that there was some kind of built-in exit clause.

Brexiteer Boris Johnson once famously described Theresa May’s first Withdrawal Agreement as a “polished turd”

The new one, you could say, was the same turd rolled in glitter.

Given that everyone, but everyone, knew exactly what was lurking beneath that twinkling exterior, it’s a wonder that it yet managed to garner as many 242 votes (40 more than last time).

Why did they do so?

Fear, mainly. They had been persuaded by the argument that Theresa May’s BRINO deal was the closest to Brexit they were ever going to get and that if they rejected it, it’s only going to suffer death by a thousand cuts administered by Remain-dominated parliament.

It is entirely possible that in this analysis, champions of Theresa May’s glitter-dipped turd are correct.

These Champions of the Shimmery Turd include such luminaries as my old friend Environment Secretary and former leading Brexiteer Michael Gove and my Spectator colleague, political editor James Forsyth. They know far more about politics and parliamentary procedure than I’ll ever know, so I’m really not questioning either their expertise or their intellectual integrity.

I’m quite sure that they genuinely believe that the Shimmery Turd really was the nation’s only hope of getting anything close to the Brexit we voted for on June 23 2016 – and that now it has been flushed away we’ll soon come to miss its merry stench.

But Britain, thank God, is not primarily made up of people who are experts in politics and parliamentary procedure and the “art of the possible.”

Rather, mainly, it is made up of people like you and me. People who on the whole think that Westminster is a cesspit of liars, chancers, trimmers, troughers, time servers, spivs, compromisers and charlatans. And cowards: most of all, cowards.

People who on being told that they can’t be given the Brexit they voted for in June 2016 because “reasons” don’t roll over and go: “Ah well. If the experts say we can’t have Brexit, we can’t have Brexit.” People who instead go: “Sod that for a game of soldiers. I want what I voted for and I’m not going away till I get it.”

This is why I found myself so heartily applauding one of the reader comments below one of Forsyth’s Spectator blogs yesterday headlined “There may be a Brexit breakthrough on the backstop.”

(This breakthrough never happened by the way. The European Union, led by the intransigent and frankly evil Martin Selmayr, is determined to give us less than nada)

“Oh do shut up, Forsyth, This is pathetic. If the EU were anything but a bunch of crooks, we wouldn’t need this obscure, secondary legal “perhaps” argument.

Your sort have produced this, you myopic little turd. A great nation reduced to arguing over whether some back-of-the-fag-packet bullshit can perhaps (given a load of maybes) guarantee our ancient liberties?

The WA is appalling – worse than the terms foisted on Germany, for waging genocide. Only traitorous scum could even consider signing it. If we need legal interpretations that are “defensible” to ensure our freedoms – what a “shameful conquest” we (or rather you) have made of us.”

It’s not the rudeness to Forsyth I’m applauding. (He’s a very amiable chap). Just the forthright expression of what so many of us feel.

We look at Westminster – and most of the attached media class – aghast at how such a bunch of cowardly sell-outs can be representing us.

Given the choice, surveys show, more British would go for a No Deal Brexit than any other option.

The EU’s contemptuous treatment of us has only hardened our resolve.

So if all the Remainer MPs in parliament are feeling pleased with themselves about the prospects tomorrow of voting No Deal Brexit out of contention, they are living in a fool’s paradise.

No good can come of it when parliament is so badly out of tune with the electorate it is supposed to serve.

Just you wait and see…


1,594 posted on 03/13/2019 3:17:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (When we do not punish evildoers we are ripping the foundations of justice from future generations)
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And one more! Listening to Farage’s speech right now. On fire as usual.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/13/farage-tells-europe-after-mays-defeat-reject-brexit-extension/

Farage Tells Europe After May’s Defeat: Reject Brexit Extension And We Can All Get On With Our Lives

13 Mar 2019 Oliver JJ Lane

Speaking the morning after Britain’s Parliament voted to reject the Brexit deal Theresa May and the European Union had spent nearly two years crafting, Nigel Farage told the European Parliament that they had pushed their luck too far and the only route left was for a full Brexit to take place later this month as planned.
Voting against May’s Brexit ‘deal’ has set a chain of events in motion at Westminster which will almost inevitably see the British Prime Minister travel to Brussels next week to beg for a time extension to the negotiation period, cancelling the legal Brexit date of March 29th 2019.

Unusually allied in their perspectives on Brexit, both leave campaign leader Nigel Farage and top anti-Brexit Eurocrats are opposed to this extension happening. Mr Farage told the Parliament Wednesday morning that unless they wanted to see him return as an MEP, along with a “horde” of other anti-Europe members after the May 2019 election, the best option was to reject the request.

Reminding the members of the European chamber that the United Kingdom had only ever been an impediment to the European federal project and that they’d be better to just let Britain go, Mr Farage said: “…you’ve got your plan, you want a United States of Europe, you want your army, you want everyone to join the Euro, you want to get rid of the nation states.

“We’re just a damned nuisance! …there is a simple solution. And that is the British request to extend is vetoed… we leave on March 29th, most of the preparations have been done, even if there are a few short term bumps in the road.

“We leave, and both you and we can get on with the rest of our lives. That is the only neat solution ahead of us.”

The unusual situation where the best hope of the democratically expressed will of the British people to leave the European Union is now for foreign politicians to reject the request of the British Parliament and Prime Minister neatly illustrates the remarkable and convoluted mess Brexit negotiations have become after an epic two years of failed negotiations.

The United Kingdom could have left the European Union almost immediately after the June 2016 election, but instead opted to not even serve notice to the bloc until nearly a year later in March 2017 that it wished to do so, and at that stage requested a two year period of talks.

Even after the official conclusion date of those negotiations in March 2019 is over, the United Kingdom and the European Union had still agreed to potentially years of transition afterwards, meaning the United Kingdom would still in most meaningful senses be a part of the EU into the 2020s. And this is before the extension to the negotiation period, meant to finish this month and which Britain’s Parliament is expected to demand on Thursday, has been factored in.

It is against this backdrop of Brexit, which could have been enacted in 2016 already subject to these delays, that Mr Farage had previously warned that cancelling Brexit day would be a sort of Pandora’s box — if it happened once, the political class would feel empowered to do it “again and again”. He warned in February that “Voters’ fury in this scenario should be not underestimated.”

Conservative think-tank the Bow Group’s chairman Ben Harris-Quinney also expressed grave doubts over the extension period, noting how politicians had totally wasted the nearly three years since the Brexit vote so far and there was no reason to believe they would do anything else should they be given more time. He said: “Regarding any extension-Parliament will use any added time in the same way it has until now, to frustrate the will of the British public.

“There is nothing more the Government or Parliament can add to the voice of the British public – we leave on March 29th-or else.”

Speaking Wednesday morning in the chamber, Nigel Farage told Brexit negotiators in the room including Michel Barnier and Guy Verhofstadt that they had “pushed your luck too far” and in doing so had torpedoed a Brexit deal with the United Kingdom they had spent two years crafting.

Outlining the problems they had created for themselves by refusing to budge on renegotiation with the British, Farage reminded the European Parliament they had likely just cheated themselves out of an enormous sum of money the British government had been forced into paying in return for a Brexit deal. He said: “this morning you find yourselves short of £39 billion, so I’m sure you’re feeling a bit sore about that”

Summarising the cry for freedom and liberty from foreign rule that the Brexit vote was ultimately an expression of, Farage said: “we’ve made up our minds. We don’t want to be ruled by you, we want to be ruled by ourselves.”


1,595 posted on 03/13/2019 3:21:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (When we do not punish evildoers we are ripping the foundations of justice from future generations)
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One last thing. From what I grok, if Parliament doesn’t vote at all, a “hard” Brexit automatically happens March 29. I think that’s it. Wah - a neat and keen chart that will not copy. So, here is link:

https://qz.com/1571189/what-happens-now-that-theresa-may-lost-her-brexit-deal-vote/


1,597 posted on 03/13/2019 3:29:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (When we do not punish evildoers we are ripping the foundations of justice from future generations)
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