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To: Mrs. Don-o
Does the word CONTEXT mean nothing to you?? I can pull a verse out of context and prove or disprove any concept you could possibly conceive.

1Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. 3But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11For there is no partiality with God. 12For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus. Romans 2:1-16 NASB

In your example you continue to conflate an earthly situation with an eternal one.

I'll say it again.

If you commit a crime here on earth and you are caught you have to pay the penalty of that crime.

The believer in Christ is forgiven of all sins as previously noted in the verses I posted. If he/she commits an earthly crime...they do the time/punishment here on earth.

When they die....that sin has been covered and rubbed out by the blood of Christ.

There is NO PURGATORY or Limbo...if ya'll still even have limbo.

It is appointed once for man to die and then the judgment.

If anyone dies apart from faith in Christ they are judged on their deeds which condemn them to hell...the wages of sin is death.

John tells us the person who believes in Christ.... 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18 NASB

Mrs D....I'm being serious when I say this.

Read the book of John. Don't consult any of your roman catholic commentaries. Just read John and keep the verses in context. Pretend you've never heard of anything to do with Christianity.

Ask God and the Spirit to guide you. Only those two. No one else.

Pay particular attention to John 3, 5, and 10. It's all good, but those are exceptionally good.

317 posted on 12/16/2018 6:05:55 PM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
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To: ealgeone
It is necessary to make a distinction between eternal punishment and temporal punishment, which is usually the natural or logical consequence plus the just recompense for our sins.

This distinction you have consistently neglected.

Please do not ignore the contexts provided, plus the many, many other readings in Scripture which firmly promise that all of our thoughts, words, and deeds will be judged --- that is, we will be answerable for them, both the saved and the lost.---

If temporal suffering were unjust, we would have to say that the natural, logical and merited consequences of sin were unjust, and that God is unjust for imposing them. This is obviously a wrong conclusion.

I'm not speaking here of Eternal Damnation or Eternal life, because the latter is total gift and total grace, nothing we could ever pay for, earn or merit.

Yet God is not lying when He says, literally dozens of times, everyone will be recompensed according to their works, even those whose final destiny is Heaven.

His mercy, which is infinite, is shown in that he gives us the grace to repent and atone for sin, in union with Christ who is our only salvation.

I would not mislead anyone into thinking there is no temporal recompense for good or evil if you are a believer. The temporal pains like those of Dismas will be swallowed up in Christ's eternal victory.

335 posted on 12/18/2018 5:08:54 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("It is better to be slapped with the Truth than to be kissed with a Lie.")
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