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Mary Beard: It doesn't really matter if tourists damage Pompeii
BBC ^ | 6 April 2016 | Hannah Furness, Arts Correspondent

Posted on 10/27/2018 4:54:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: irishjuggler

The Mona Lisa is way over rated. Compared to the rest of the paintings in just that wing L’ouvre it’s easily the least impressive painting.


41 posted on 10/27/2018 9:42:12 PM PDT by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Several years ago, I was in Pompeii taking incredible photos of everything I found interesting. I came into an area where I found three Amphora wine vessels leaning up against a wall. Once I got my photo, I walked out and was confronted by the tour guide. He told me that I was in an area that was restricted because of the sensitive nature of ancient structures. Back then, they were afraid that the traffic of tourists would destroy the roadway through the ruins. I think, if they were so careful back then, they must be just as careful now.


42 posted on 10/27/2018 9:50:56 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: lee martell
I went to college with a, well, it was a D&D-playing time, so, a bunch of dorks, including me. One guy who lived somewhere down the hall but hung out with my next-room neighbors had led a posh childhood, and claimed to have found "authentic Roman dice" in a crack in the floor in the Coliseum. Tour guides at ancient sites are, of course, notorious for 'salting' the areas where the tourists are heading. At Giza, tour guides were known for sending their marks on hunts for "fossil wheat" that sure enough turned up in little nooks and crannies. Compared with Pompeii, the Coliseum has nothing to steal, it's been pretty exposed and stripped clean, standing out in the open since it was constructed. Old paintings of 200-300 years ago show trees growing on upper rim.

Also, the construction is that of barrel vaults which start large on the outside and converge to a smaller size (hor. and vert.), making the structure crazy strong, ridiculously hard to knock down. Just leaning on a wall probably won't do much, even if one has brought along a pet elephant.

43 posted on 10/27/2018 10:54:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Jamestown1630
I stumbled on those once, started with one of the scenic tourist traps of the Amalfi coast I think, or maybe Santorini, and the Roku YT app juat kept playing them.

44 posted on 10/27/2018 10:56:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Larry Lucido
Heh, I got it, good idea. And not politically correct to boot! Nice!
Murder by Death

45 posted on 10/27/2018 11:00:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: datricker

The Mona Lisa was stolen from the museum and copied multiple times in a forgery scam — the rich marks were carefully vetted, each paid a fortune for one of the forgeries, thinking he’d won the closed envelope auction, and when the original (apparently the original) was returned to the museum, none of the marks dared come clean in an effort to get their money back for the fake they’d paid for.

There’s also the Islesworth Mona Lisa, other sidebars:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/isleworthmonalisa/index

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2937799/posts


46 posted on 10/27/2018 11:06:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Chad N. Freud
So I am clearly of two minds.

there are meds for that Chad we’ve come a long way since Halperidol

very well done on the nick btw

47 posted on 10/27/2018 11:07:55 PM PDT by wardaddy (I donÂ’t care that youÂ’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it wonÂ’t matter what you were)
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To: jonrick46

Without much to go on I’d guess that sounds like a shakedown opportunity by the tour guide. I’ve read about antiquities being returned to Pompeii by old retired tourists nearing dead, or by their heirs, carried right on off the site and onto a boat or train and home. Great that they were returned, but A) no one knows where they came from, B) no one at the site ever seems to have missed the item (else it would be simple to put it back, and C) probably means a small bribe made it all possible.


48 posted on 10/27/2018 11:45:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Chad N. Freud
The sites are getting (or have recently had) a thorough mapping and inventory, and the older efforts coordinated with the new stuff. This has happened before. The cost of this stuff, and the lengths of careers, means that without grants and such, the job never quite gets done. That subsumes cats 1, 2, and 3. The money for basic policing and maintenance has to come from #4.

49 posted on 10/27/2018 11:51:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: hanamizu
I've often wanted to do that (ancient coins) but alas, no cash. :^)

50 posted on 10/27/2018 11:52:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: livius

Excavation of Lord Elgin’s shipwrecked brig “Mentor” off Kithira yields more passenger items
TornosNews.gr 24.10.2018 | 14:25
http://www.tornosnews.gr/en/greek-news/culture/33044-excavation-of-lord-elgin-s-shipwrecked-brig-mentor-yields-more-passenger-items.html
http://www.tornosnews.gr/en/files/Y______._1_Excavation_of_Lord_Elgin_s_shipwrecked_brig_Mentor_yields_more_passenger_items_1_735959598.jpg


51 posted on 10/27/2018 11:55:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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The beginnings of these are very similar, may be the same show, one is half again as long, but vid pirates don’t always have great production values, iow, they’re often blithering incompetents. Nevetheless, enjoy:

Pompeii - Life and Death in a Roman Town ( Mary Beard )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbwQJxfepz0

Pompeii: New Secrets Revealed with Mary Beard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB27I_RjjHI


52 posted on 10/28/2018 1:17:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

I guess that academia won’t care if they lose a wacko professor. Fair is fair.


53 posted on 10/28/2018 2:52:40 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SunkenCiv

Visited Pompeii when I was stationed in Italy - very interesting tour and can’t see why someone would be so cavalier about destroying it.


54 posted on 10/28/2018 3:29:38 AM PDT by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: Publius

Cogito, ergo FReepum


55 posted on 10/28/2018 5:42:56 AM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Hondouras. Provide a military government)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve often wanted to do that (ancient coins) but alas, no cash. :^)


I’ve gotten some ancients for $3 or $4. I picked up a Marc Antony silver coin, very worn but still identifiable for $20. I have a large Nero bronze that I paid $25 for. And it is just as old as an example costing thousands. Very decent third and fourth century Roman bronze coins can be had for around $5. When I got into it, I spent a lot more money on books for research than on coins. Now there are really good internet sites that will help you track down info on your coin. And I find that’s a big part of the fun of the hobby.

If you live near a big city look for coin shows and if you’re lucky, there will be dealers who deal in ancients. Some will even have a ‘take your pick for $5’ box. It is really a fairly cheap way to get authentic ancient art (especially the Greek coins).


56 posted on 10/28/2018 7:56:34 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu
[Kind of like Disneyland.]

Bet the rides suck though.


57 posted on 10/28/2018 8:20:29 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: SunkenCiv

Very interesting - thanks for the lesson and links. I know so little about art - I wish I got “it” more. Been to many famous art museums - I’ve often felt that I don’t appreciate the works at the level the artists intended. Guess I’m a slightly over educated peasant


58 posted on 10/28/2018 8:23:36 AM PDT by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I love the Amalfi coast ones, especially Sorrento; and going up through all the little alleyways. At this point I couldn’t navigate that, and it’s nice to be able to see it.


59 posted on 10/28/2018 8:30:11 AM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: SunkenCiv
Personally I've always wanted to see how a classicist professor lives, so I'm sure Mary Beard wouldn't mind me and a few thousand friends per day stomping through he house and maybe leaving a little graffiti or chipping off pieces of her granite counter tops as souvenirs.
60 posted on 10/28/2018 8:36:37 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Leave the job, leave the clearance. It should be the same rule for the Swamp as for everyone else.)
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