[bagster]

Hiya, Jacky boy.

I see you updated your profile page. It's very interesting. Everybody should check it out.

:)

Bagster

[Jack Black]

That was adapted by a post on the last thread, but not the one you commented on.

[Swordmaker]

I see you updated your profile page. It's very interesting. Everybody should check it out.

I did and found the usual obfuscation.

Let's look at Jack's score keeping. Of course he doesn't count, he says, anything on Team Trump from before Team Mueller joined the field, but is that really fair? No, it isn't.

First of all, Jack loads the dice by scoring things only Team Mueller can do by giving VERY HIGH cores for indictments and convictions and VERY LOW scores for things that Team Trumo can do such as forced resignations, firings, and no scoring at all for demotions, failing to recognize that most of the Deep State actors are protected by Civil Service and Union rules; taking action against them is extremely difficult. Mueller has no restrictions on whom or what he can indict.

Secondly, Jack does not discriminate in his listing of indictments on whether they are Mueller's teams or indictments from ancillary investigations not at all connected in any way with Mueller's initial charge to investigate Russian involvement in the 2016 Presidential Election. Instead, Jack attributes to Mueller such indictments as an income tax charge against a man who had no involvement at all in the election, a forgery charge against a California man who also had NO involvement in the election, but jack grants high scoring points to these bit players to the Mueller Team. These indictments could have and SHOULD have been brought by any run-of-the-mill US Attorney, and in fact were under investigation prior to Mueller's involvement.

Other guilty pleas most likely would not have resulted in indictments, according to the investigators involved, who stated they saw no deception in their reports, yet Mueller brought charges DESPITE the investigators disagreement, wearing down the resources of the accused until they were bankrupt and could no longer afford to defend themselves. This is not a tactic that Team Trump is permitted to use.

Let's revue Team Mueller's "triumphs" and see if they pass muster:

• Flynn — Guilty Plea to lying to the FBI — 3 points
  • Both FBI agents who interviewed Gen. Flynn concluded he was not being deceptive at all in their conversations with him.
  • Mueller practiced Lawfare against Flynn, bringing multiple actions against him and multiple demands for hearings and demanding responses to interrogatories requiring expensive attorney time, causing Flynn to sell his house, and to enter debt to the point of bankrupting him,
  • Finally, Mueller started doing the same against Flynn's son and other family members.
  • Finally to make the bleeding stop, and to save his family, Flynn pleaded guilty to a charge of lying to the FBI, which the agents themselves testified before Congress he HAD NOT DONE. This charge and guilty plea are bogus, created from whole cloth by Mueller and his unethical team.
• Papadapolis(sic) — Guilty Plea to lying to the FBI — 3 points
  • George Papadopoulos, was convicted for not recalling the exact date or day on which he first met Professor Joseph Mitsud and telling FBI agents two different dates and days in interviews almost a year after the minor event occurred.
  • Papadopoulos in one interview said he met Mitsud while drinking at a bar on one date, and then several weeks later, said that the meeting occurred while drunk on a different date.
  • The FBI had testimony from a third party that they recalled seeing Papadopoulos meeting Mitsud at a participants mixer at the same convention they both attended where Papadopoulos said he had met him in the bar.
  • Based on that third party's testimony, and Papadopoulos' poor memory, they charged him with lying to the FBI.
  • Can you remember every one you are introduced to at a convention mixer? I cannot.
• Gates — Guilty Pleas to Tax evasion unrelated to Russia Probe — 3 points
  • Charged with tax evasion for participating in supposedly hiding income off shore, which until it is repatriated, was not at that time taxable in the US, so long as local income taxes were paid, and it was reported.
  • Gates admitted embezzling funds from his boss Manafort, and pleaded guilty to tax evasion on those embezzled funds.
  • Guilty plea is totally unrelated to Mueller Special Counsel mandate and should have been brought by the IRS Tax Court, not SC.
  • Irrelevant to Mueller Team Score.
• Evgeny Freidman — Guilty Plea to Tax Evasion — 3 points
  • Michael Cohen's business partner who was dragged into Cohen's tax evasion issues.
  • Both Evgeny "Gene" Freidman and Michael Cohen were already under investigation due to questionable business practices in their Taxi businesses in New York and Chicago for the Justice Department and the New York Attorney General.
  • However, these were almost standard taxi medallion business practiced by all Taxi businesses in which someone with big bucks would pay for the medallions and then lease them to the drivers, often pocketing the interest payments, and not declaring all of a part of them on their income taxes.
  • This guilty plea has nothing to do with Trump, Russia, or the 2016 election and should have been handled by the US Tax Court, or by the regular DOJ, not Mueller's Team.
• Alex Van Der Zwaan — Guilty Plea — 3 points
  • of a Dutch Lawyer who worked with Manafort in 2012
  • 2012 is a long time before 2016 and the election which is Mueller's Mandate
  • Van Der Zwaan pleaded guilty for making a false statement to FBI agents outside the USA about when he last had any kind of contact with Manafort years after he had had contact with him
  • The FBI says they had evidence that Manafort had sent him an email since the time he recalled.
  • Based on that discrepancy, he was threatened with decades in prison for lying to the FBI in an interview outside of their jurisdiction. REALLY?
  • He got 30 days in a Federal Penitentiary, a $20,000 fine, and 60 days unsupervised probation.
  • Is that worth 3 points? I doubt it.
• Manaforte (sic) — Indicted for Actual Crime (sic) — 2 points (sic)
  (Now convicted and, under Jack's scoring should be 5 points—Swordmaker)
  • Manafort's indictments and convictions are all related to tax and registration as a foreign agent crimes (and apparently they are indeed crimes) he committed from 2007 to 2014.
  • These all took place long before he had anything to do with Trump, the 2016 campaign, or anything that meets the Mueller SC mandate.
  • At this point Mueller is getting very far afield from his original mandate and is acting like he is the entire Department of Justice and the REAL ATTORNEY GENERAL, deciding who and who does not get prosecuted, giving orders to other US Attorneys about who they must prosecute and how to do it.
  • Manafort's indictment and conviction should have been handed back to the DOJ and NOT handled by the Mueller team for ANY REASON.
• Richard Pinedo — Guilty Plea forgery and ID theft only peripherally connected to Russians — 5 points
  • California criminal whose business is selling stolen IDs.
  • Pinedo's involvement is only peripheral to the Russia probe in that he apparently sold some names and IDs used by some Russians to get Facebook accounts.
  • He was already under investigation for such ID sales by both state and Federal FTC investigators for Identity Theft.
  • Mueller's Team preempted those investigations to indict Pinedo to garner a scalp
  • Is this conviction really worth 5 points? REALLY? I doubt it.
• 13 Russians — Indicted in Russia — 0 points
  • Indicted in Russia where Mueller has no jurisdiction.
  • Indicted for buying legal ads on Facebook, a crime which does not exist in any Federal law book
• 2 Russian Companies — Indicted in Russia — 0 Points
  • Indicted in Russia where Mueller has no jurisdiction.
  • One of these indicted companies did not exist until almost a year after the 2016 election, which shows the degree of research these "expert" prosecutors on Team Mueller were actually doing. What were they really doing? Throwing darts at a map of Russian IT companies and indicting the ones they hit?
  • Indicted for buying legal ads on Facebook, a crime which does not exist in any Federal law book
• Concorde Consulting — Indicted in USA, — 3 points
  • No, Jack, Concorde Consulting was indicted in RUSSIA.
  • Indicted in Russia where Mueller has no jurisdiction.
  • Indicted for buying legal ads on Facebook, a crime which does not exist in any Federal law book
  • Surprise! Concorde Consulting attorneys and CEO showed up in the USA to answer the charges, demanding a speedy trial
  • Team Mueller has not responded, and has not responded to any of the filings Concorde Consulting has filed with the court. None.
  • It seems they have no answers because they did not expect ANY of the Russian companies they indicted to show up!
  • This is worth 3 points? REALLY?
• 12 Russian GRU officers — Indicted in Russia — 0 points
  • Indicted in Russia where Mueller has no jurisdiction.
  • Indicted for buying legal ads on Facebook, a crime which does not exist in any Federal law book
  • At Helsinki, Putin said that he would make all 13 available for question if Trump so desired.

Now let's look at Team Trump:

Jack states on his FR home page:

Start date for Index is the date of Mueller appointment, May 17, 2017. Firings prior to that, or firings for matters unrelated the the Deep State Coup investigation and counter-investigation, are not included in the Index but are available on this link, and also included as a link from post #1 on all Qanon threads.

Jack unreasonably attributes only these few to Team Trump:

• McCabe — Public Firing — 1 point
• Strzok — Public Firing — 1 point
• James A Wolfe — Indicted for Lying to FBI — 2 points
• Lisa Page — Resigned To Avoid Firing — ½ point
• David Laufman — Resigned To Avoid Firing — ½ point
• James Baker — Resigned To Avoid Firing — ½ point

But Jack gets to determine who he includes according to his biases. . . and he misses a lot, because he is not paying attention, and because of his arbitrary, self-determined starting date .

Let's see whom else should be included in the Team Trump list whom Jack chooses to exclude:

• Yates — Public Firing — 1 point
• Comey — Public Firing — 1 point
• McCabe — Public Firing — 1 point
• Strzok — Public Firing — 1 point
• Ohr — Demoted Two Levels — ?
• Kazdik — Resigned to Avoid Firing — ½ point
• Carlin — Resigned to Avoid Firing — ½ point
• McCord — Resigned to Avoid Firing — ½ point
• James A Wolfe — Indicted for Lying to FBI — 2 points
• Brand — Resigned to Avoid Firing — ½ point
• Lisa Page — Resigned To Avoid Firing — ½ point
• David Laufman — Resigned To Avoid Firing — ½ point
• James Baker — Resigned To Avoid Firing — ½ point
• Rybicki — Removed — 1 point
• Laycock — Demoted Four Levels and Transferred — ?
• Schools — Fired — 1 point
• Anderson — Resigned to Avoid Firing — ½ point
• Glacalone — Forced Retirement — ½ point
• Hagin (WH) — Fired for insubordination — 1 point
• Goldstein (Dept of State) — Publicly Fired — 1 point
• Barr (Dept of State) — Publicly Fired — 1 point
• Smith (Dept of State) — Publicly Fired — 1 point
• Kennedy (Dept of State) — Publicly Fired — 1 point
• Miller (Dept of State) — Publicly Fired — 1 point
• Bond (Dept of State) — Publicly Fired — 1 point

I think Jack needs to revise his point schedule for the actions available to Team Trump.

How many points should we count for removing an undeserved VERY HIGH level security clearance from John Brennan?

If we are honest and discount the FOURTEEN points that Jack assigns to Team Mueller for indictments and convictions which are totally unrelated to the Russia Probe Mandate and then count the ACTUAL DEEP STATE PEOPLE who have been discharged, demoted, forced to resign, forced to take early retirement, etc, by Team Trump, including a ½ point for each demotion, then we should get a clearer picture of the status of activity between each team in cleaning up their respective problems.

I get:

• TEAM MUELLER and his happy crew of insane Democrats: 11 Points
• TEAM TRUMP and his staff of hard working Q warriors: 20 ½ points!